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Do you have the numbers to back these claims? Is the extravagant money spend on healthcare in US actually drives everything ahead? Do countries like UK, Germany, Switzerland and Japan lag behind due to the smaller amounts spent?

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No they don't lag behind, because as I mentioned, once they're developed the drugs are available globally, and often reverse engineered and re-sold by less scrupulous countries that don't care about intellectual property.

As to your first question, I don't have an answer for you off hand.

Okay, what are the sources of this claim? I'm kind of surprised that Germans and the British steal American technology developed though bankruptcy inducing childbirths.

edit: Hmm, if that's true then US must be actually behind because every now and then the UK or some Europeans might invent something but the Americans won't have it because they respect intellectual property. Which means Americans will have only American stuff but the Brits and the EU will have Europeans stuff too.

The claim is largely true for drug development, but not for routine procedures. Those are expensive for unrelated, and largely pathological, reasons.

Okay, can you provide some literature on that claim? Do you, by any chance refer to the European governments buying directly from the pharma companies, thus getting solid discount? Or is it the case that European companies simply copy the drugs and move on? If that's the case, is the US healthcare expensive because pharma companies need to make money from the US sales only?

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9412.html and The Great American Drug Deal, by Peter Kolchinsky. Specific claims:

- The US pays more for new drugs than the rest of the world

- The US contribution is disproportionate, and is major driver of the drug development industry.

-If the US paid less for new drugs, the entire industry would slow, and we would have fewer more effective treatments.

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