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> They’re (school shootings) not even a blip on the radar screen in the overall “gun deaths” problem.

LOL. Um, IDK, some people might disagree. Some people - like those innocent childrens' parents - might think it's like 99% of the problem.

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Surely then, we ought to ban pools, wall off access to the beaches and lakes, and generally prohibit human contact with water, as drowning is 100x more likely to kill than school shootings. And any parents of innocent children who have drowned are no doubt incensed by the outcome!

While we don't ban beaches and pools, we do require them to be monitored by trained lifeguards! I think we should have reasonable safeguards in place for guns as well.

I don't think pools or beaches have to be monitored by lifeguards anywhere that I have lived.

You just have to have a sign that says 'no lifeguard'.

> I don't think pools or beaches have to be monitored by lifeguards anywhere that I have lived.

My house doesn't have a no-lifeguard sign around our pool or on the lake a block away. I think you're right.

So... should we ban private backyard pools that don't have lifeguards? Lots of kids down in those.

Can I buy an extended magazine for my private, backyard pool? Or should we just admit this metaphor lost all meaning some time ago?

Like, really, that’s what you’ve got? But what about backyard pools? That’s your humdinger, parliamentary argument for why inaction is better when confronted with a logical comparison? To extrapolate the comparison further and a-ha! the degenerate cases like you’re arguing philosophy in Plato’s company?

What is it about topics like these that make a forum of otherwise intelligent people argue like they’re practicing bird law? In any other context someone making the point you’re making would be ridiculed for taking the argument here.

Some cities won't grant a permit unless the pool is fenced because of the drowning risk to small children.

If pools, beaches, and lakes were manufactured primarily to kill, and people used them to cause mass tragedy... maybe?

This does not address the argument. It merely also points out that beaches, etc are dangerous. Nobody is arguing the beach model is a _good_ model to follow.

if I accept the GP's statistics, it looks to me like by not arguing to close the beaches 100x more than arguing about guns, yes, people are comparatively arguing that they are ok with the beach model.

What the fuck?

100000 people die every year due to infections contracted while under medical care.

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