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Stuff is screwed up. I applied at over 80 companies last year, got interviews with about 60 of them, did about 110 individual phone screens/interviews. Got no offers. It seems the management paradigm right now for small shops or startups is to dedicate $350k or so per year for developer salaries. A single principle or staff engineer is hired. Takes $150k per year. And they in turn try to shove 4 juniors into the remaining $200k. I'm 40 years old with no lead experience and I'm not a junior. So I fit none of these roles.

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Have you been a developer the whole time? ~16-18 YOE with no lead experience could be [incorrectly] taken as a red flag.

I will say we've been trying to hire two seniors for the better part of 6 months and most of the people we end up on the phone with either end up going somewhere (presumably for more $ but it's rare to get a reason), or they do so poorly on the technical screen it makes you wonder if they just used someone else's resume. Nothing in between the two - I've been in my current EM role for probably 3 months, have done maybe 20-25 interviews, and we've extended 4 offers. One accepted then took a different job two days before his start date, one accepted, two declined.

I've been doing some form of development since the age of 28. I look young for my age so I could probably pass for 35. I've made sure nothing giving my true age away is online or on my resume. I think the biggest issue is I have mostly been in the Perl ecosystem and most of those companies are self hosted, not using docker, etc. I do have requirements of only being remote, this worked fine in the perl world. But those jobs are mostly non-existent now and plus I was tired of the mindset that perl software stacks seem to harbor (never updating software, why use a framework when you can cowboy code your own, etc). Spent 2 years playing around with Django, figured it would be an easy transition. Hard to say why I don't get hired. I even did 7 interviews with one company. Several occasions I even celebrated early (buying stuff I didn't need with my dwindling savings account, going out to eat at fancy places with the family, etc) because I had 2 or 3 interviews ongoing and they were going so good and I was such a good match that I just knew I'd get an offer from one. But no... Slowly went from asking $130k per year to $120k, $110k, $90k.. That didn't help, the companies got crappier, the interviews just got longer and harder (the opposite of what I was wanting because I was so burned out by this time). Had a couple of perl companies reach out to me, but they are old legacy code and part time 1099. I can barely make myself put in over 15 hours combined per week with them though. Just feels like I am poisoning myself by going with them and want to do more interviewing but then the voice telling me it is pointless comes back so I just end up sitting in my home office for 12+ hours a day staring out the window.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience! It's really shitty to have applied so many times in a year and gotten nowhere. I can't help you out but for to encourage you that interviewing is always a numbers game. I find it depressing and have to apply to tons of companies and I'm not your age. My only trick is to take breaks when I need them and keep trying.

What kind of companies did you apply to?

I'll share my personal experience, in case it helps. I only apply to small startups (less than 50 employees, but I usually get hired in places with <10 people). These have much more straightforward and short hiring processes. I find those companies solely from HN Who is Hiring thread or AngelList. I never got anything from a job post on Linkedin (much less Indeed and etc). I am a frontend developer, but I do see a lot of Python positions.

If you filter for companies based in the US only, the pay is pretty good.

There is a lot of luck involved in getting hired (especially after going through an interview, since from there the process is very subjective). It sucks, but you just have to keep trying. One day you will be the lucky one. Good luck!

Is the TC at these small companies (particularly taking into account the risk of any stock options) comparable to the TC at Big Tech (notwithstanding the recent sell-off on Wall Street)?

Or do you give up some TC for the other benefits of working at these small startups?

No, much less TC than FAANG. I earn low six figures and value my stock options at zero. So more than any other software development job in the world.

Are you able to share where you're hiring?

I don't think it violates any rules here, so sure. The company is called ServicePower, we run a handful of apps in the field service, insurance, and warranty industries. My teams are NodeJS, AWS, Kafka, but there are other teams (some with open recs as well) that do C++ or Java if that's more your thing. All teams are remote-first and all teams are US or UK. I added my email to my profile if you (or anyone else) is interested in discussing more.

Hey—I saw some of your past comments on your interviewing experience. Have you contributed to any open source projects? It can be helpful as a reference point in interviewing.

If you want to drop me an email, the least I can do is offer some feedback on your resume / online profile(s).

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