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I keep saying this, but i feel so ripped off with FSD. Why?

1. If i sell, it does not transfer to the new owner. Edit: people disputed this - but i think this only happens if you also hand over the account. Either way, given this write up, it seems rather complex and imo, it shouldn't be if Tesla is trying to be genuinely honestly (https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/does-full-self-driving-f...)

2. If i sell, I cannot keep it for my next car

3. The subscription option came out a month after we bought our car. Its about 10 years of FSD subscription payments

4. Saving the best for last - it doesn't work / exist

If i could get a refund I would. I cannot wait for the class action against Tesla for this, i'll be the first to signup.

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Purchased FSD does transfer to a new owner, unless you sell to Tesla.

If that class action happens, the most you can hope for is a settlement that allows you to either transfer it to your next car or get a comically tiny payout.

I'm not sure why you assume a class action would result in a comically tiny payout. The VW emissions cheating scandal had a class action payout of $5,000 - $10,000 per person plus VW buying back their car at pre-scandal values.

I can easily imagine a Tesla FSD class-action being a token amount plus their FSD fee back. I mean, yes, it would be an interest free loan to TSLA, but your money back is a real thing.

*only I the US.

I'm surprised the FSD is even legal in the EU. Maybe not for long...

I don't know what "only I the US" was supposed to mean.

Re the transfer, i thought it did go away unless you also hand over the account to the car.

If i could transfer it for life, i'd gladly take that...i mean, i just dont want my money to disappear. I don't really want some small payout, i essentially either want to keep the right to get it (hopefully, one day) or get refunded.

You might be thinking of unlimited supercharging - that was initially tied to the car, then they started removing it if the car was moved to another account.

That’s not true. FSD, the purchase, does transfer with the vehicle when sold. (During beta, sure, the new owner will have to enroll, but the FSD purchase is part of the vehicle's resale value now)

So my understanding is that the FSD is linked to the car + user account. If either change, the FSD goes. I guess you could hand over the user account, but i believe both need to go together? Is there a clear answer from Tesla somewhere on this?

FSD gets unenrolled. But the new car owner can re-enroll for no cost, just clicking through some warning screens telling you to pay attention.

if you upgrade your car, you lose fsd beta also, even if you pay for FSD again.

You won't have to pay for FSD again. Stop talking nonsense. And what do you mean, 'upgrade your car'? Specifically? I am not aware of any actions that remove a previously paid FSD entitlement from a Tesla.

upgrade = if you buy a new tesla.

> 3. The subscription option came out a month after we bought our car. Its about 10 years of FSD subscription payments

Is this true? I thought it was $200/mo or $10k

10,000/200 = 50 months or 4 years ish

maybe i got the pricing wrong, i thought it was closer to $100 and that FSD was more expensive than 10k. I would need to check the numbers. I will say though a) if FSD wasnt something i already had, i'd have canceled the subscription by now, and b) I tend to keep my cars about 5-7 years, so it's certainly not a massive payback buying it upfront when it doesnt work for a period of the first few initial years.

It's advancing the human civilization to the next level. Your contribution was essential to that cause.

Haha yeah…so just advertise it as that so i can choose if i want to be in that donation bucket. It’s sold as a product yet the product doesn’t exist.

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