Good point, also there are a lot of similarities between Excel and Pandas as well.

I think this also is a fundamental distinction between normal SWEs and People who use Excel as well as Data Engineers.

You always start with data, and you have no control over it. So this means:

1. you need state base programming env (excel, Jupyter) 2. you need to look at it to see whats there (plots)

I guess HN is mostly comprised of SWEs who built the DBs and Websites that create the data that then gets consumed by the Data Engs and the Excel people :D