When Ukrainians are no longer being killed then we can talk about hurt feelings...
I'm literally advocating for an end to genocide...
And if that is truly your attitude, you don’t even have a consistent moral basis to claim that genocide is categorically wrong. By your logic, an entire nationality of people are collectively responsible for whatever their regime and military do. Since a hostile military can be justifiably killed, why not the civilian populace? I have an answer that question; do you?
Quote where I said Russians should be killed? No one's killing Russian civilians. I never said anyone should.
Russian media and leaders have said Ukraine should be wiped off the map. Mariupol is no longer a city. Tens of thousands of civilians murdered. Women raped. But people are being mean to Russians? You're literally whitewashing a genocide...
How about you say what the Russians are doing is wrong?
> I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around.
And for further context, what is the stance that I think "a silent of majority of reasonable people" might think?
> The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Russians abroad and in Russia who do not support the invasion of and atrocities in the Ukraine but still have to suffer because of the Russian government's, or rather Vladimir Putin's, actions. Obviously, yes, Russians who express support for Putin are hated, rightfully so.
I have already condemned the actions of the Russian regime. That is not enough for you; you are not satisfied unless I hate the Russian people without distinction.
I have done nothing in this thread except to draw the moral distinction between the Russian regime and military and the Russian people as a whole, and to reiterate that it is morally unacceptable to hate, without any distinction, an entire nationality of people. You are the one who took up the mantle of defending bigotry; don't you dare claim the moral high ground.
Here in Canada Ukrainians have been attacked by Russian supporters; a Ukrainian priest and his family's home was set on fire. There's pro-Putin demonstrations in Germany.
There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad yet you are taking up that cause like it's more important than the genocide against Ukrainians itself.
This is simply untrue:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz...
https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur...
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists...
Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d be right, in exactly the same sense that the indiscriminate internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians was not equivalent to the atrocities carried out by the Japanese military. My point here is that one still does not justify the other.
Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point...
[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...
You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it.
> Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war?
Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed.
Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.
You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you.
> Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed.
Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don't even understand what I'm saying to you. If someone replied to me arguing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified, I would argue with them. Instead, I got you and that Finnish guy both arguing that indiscriminate hatred of Russian people is justified.
> Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.
You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion, which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?
Many are, not all.
> which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?
Never said that, you imagined it. Just said there's more pressing issues than feelings.
You're pushing buttons here, and trying to bait this person into joining a downward spiral with you. Please stop, and find something better and healthier to do with your time.
I guess nobody gave an F about Ukraine until now and all those mainstream media articles from 2014-2021 about nazism problem and anti-russian atrocities have gone ignored. Apparently, people had another pet cause to read about in those years.
>Apparently, people had another pet cause to read about in those years.
You mean they weren't literally at war, so they didn't take up as much of the spotlight?
wow, tough guy here :) I recommend you seek the truth over emotional highs. If you're not willing to do the work then be quiet - not for me but for your own good. FYI I wrote a two theses on the topic and read through tons of available material and defended both in front of a panel of people who served as ambassadors and are highly credible politologists, international lawyers, geopoliticists and I have zero investment in either side being right.
The extremist elements of Azov have long since been weeded out. And do you know where the word Azov comes from? Sea of Azov, ie. where Mariupol is. Have you seen pictures of what the Russians have done to Mariupol?
Granted - they been hypnothized by putin's multi-billion dollar/yr propaganda machine but this is the result.