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I bought an iPhone 13 pro max and I can only use the cable on my computer because I don’t have a usb c wall wart. I use the existing usb a lighting cables everywhere.

I hate that wall warts no longer ship with phones.

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Conversely, I did not like the old system where I would buy a new phone and get a new wall wart which I would proceed to toss into a drawer (since the old wart still works fine)

I'm ambivalent at this point. My primary chargers now are multi-port Anker USB-C chargers. I have a drawer of old USB charger blocks that I keep in case I need another one in a pinch, or if someone else wants an extra.

The USB-C wall wart is pretty awesome, though. It charges the phone surprisingly fast if you're used to older tech. It's worth the upgrade. (You don't have to buy an Apple one, just one that supports USB-PD.)

https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd

Why not just buy a wall wart for yourself then?

Why didn't it come with the phone?

Because almost all people have more wall warts and cables than phones.

Would it make you happier if there was a boxed version without a wall wart, and a boxed version with a wall wart for $20 more?

Or you could just buy a $20 wall wart and cable...

How about dropping the price $20 if it's not included...

Apple removed something that was and has been standard for over a decade and kept the price tag. If they're really doing it fOr ThE enVirONmeNt, shouldn't they also drop the price accordingly?

...no? How does paying $1000 or $980 affect the environment?

And they didn't "keep the price tag", because they're selling a completely different product than they were a decade ago. And regardless, they're allowed to set the price as whatever they want, for whatever reason.

I feel like complaints about this is just a psych study in loss aversion.

How does paying $1020 as opposed to $1000 affect the environment?

If you bought any other product and couldn't use it without buying additional accessories, you'd be pretty peeved. Should Sony remove the power cable from the PS5 since your PS4 power cable works and charge you an extra $20 for it?

How many people have a multiple unused PS4 power cables laying around their house? Is it like 90+% of PS5 buyers?

How do you know that they didn't drop the price?

"Because almost all people have more wall warts and cables than phones." Do you have a source to verify this claim? Anecdotally, I know 3 people that switched from old Androids to iPhones who could not charge their phones. You're on a tech forum, so I assume you keep up with the tech news. But, at least in my circle, most people don't. They buy phones and expect them to ship with the required accessories to operate them.

Do Android phones not charge with USB cables these days? Those chargers should be compatible with the USB cable that ships with an iPhone.

They should try reading the website then. Go try to purchase an iphone 13 and it clearly tells you "what's in the box" during the order flow, and then directly beneath it it says:

> As part of our efforts to reach our environmental goals, iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 mini do not include a power adapter or EarPods. Included in the box is a USB‑C to Lightning Cable that supports fast charging and is compatible with USB‑C power adapters and computer ports.

> We encourage you to re‑use your current power adapters and headphones that are compatible with these iPhone models. But if you need any new Apple power adapters or headphones, they are available for purchase.

And in the box is a USB-C to lightning adapter, so if they have a USB-C charger they can just use that. I'm guessing you said "old Androids" to imply that they are so old they're using micro usb, right?

I should start a company where I buy the phone and the wall charger from apple and put them both in a box and then sell it at a 10% markup to the people that get frustrated that nobody will sell them these two things in the same box.

I'm going through old stuff in preparation for a move and you wouldn't believe how many USB-A wall warts I've got shoved in the bottoms of boxes and drawers. IMO they should have kept it included for ~3 years of the USB-C transition because now people get a USB-C cable but only have old USB-A chargers, but long term I think it's the right move to stop including chargers with every new device.

You can go on Amazon and get a multi-port USB-C + 3x USB-A charger with 60W power delivery support for $22 [1]. I've been using a pair of these for years (one under my desk, one behind my nightstand) and they're really nice for charging multiple devices than the individual wall warts. Phone, laptop/tablet, headphones, watch, power banks. I like it a lot better than a power strip with four separate wall warts plugged in next to each other.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Nekteck-Desktop-Charging-Stat...

(One of my chargers is Nekteck branded, the other is Monoprice, but at least externally appears to be identical)

How many are ending up in landfills because people aren't using them?

Why waste money? Why does the iPad still ship with a wall wart?

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