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PG is far behind SQL Server on ease of upgrade but the method described in this post is not the best practice right now, which I think is:

- physical restore to new cluster

- pg_upgrade the new cluster

- catch up on logical wal logs from old cluster

- failover to new cluster

- STONITH

I think the above was not open to them because of the limitations of their managed PG instance. I haven't used Azure but GCP managed SQL has loads of limitations. It seems very common and I think is a major (and undiscussed) drawback of these managed instance.

But the truth is that very few of the people who use PG want to hear that things are better in the MS SQL community for reasons of prejudice and as a result you're being downvoted unfairly for pointing out PGs relative backwardness here.

I'm curious how this works for on-prem. Our SQL Server cluster is on-prem; we can't just spin up another cluster. An important aspect of the SQL Server upgrade process is it doesn't require any extra nodes. What did people do for pgsql upgrades before everyone moved to the cloud?

Here's a nice thing about PostgreSQL over SQL Server to satiate the fans: SQL Server is absurdly expensive to run in the cloud. I can't believe anyone uses RDS for SQL Server. Even in EC2 it's horrifically expensive. That's the main reason we have an on-prem cluster.

I would use the existing nodes (just like the SQL Server upgrade, you have reduced redundancy during the upgrade).

Under 1 minute of downtime was acceptable for us, so:

  systemctl stop postgresql-11 && \
    pg_upgrade --link ... && \
    systemctl start postgresql-12

was more-or-less the process last time I did this. We have only 500GB of data, and I think pg_upgrade ran in 15 seconds or so.

If a minute of downtime isn't acceptable, then it presumably isn't acceptable in case of unexpected hardware failure either, and you'd be using one of the commercial multi-master extensions.

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