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I do agree with the Twitter thread that there is a generation gap. Those who remember the internet from quarter of a century ago weren’t treated like children. Even children.

In the past 25 something years, young adults have regressed to looking for approval by authorities and PTBs because of their infantalisation at school and then college and then at work.

No adult wants to adult anymore. Because their every need is being catered to by some kind of corporate power, they don’t even know that they are free to let go of the teat.

I find all of this horrifying and depressing and infuriating. If one hasn’t had any agency in their adult life, how will one know when to shut up and when to protest.

The cancel culture is the product of the state run education system…it is the utter helplessness and impotency of entire generations who had never had to make an independent evaluation or decision or judgement call.

There is no redemption for this current generation and I dont see how the future generations can be rescued from this dismal fate. This also seems to be an uniquely American problem…Altho sadly it’s spreading to other parts of the world..mostly because of the internet and social media.

Literally..who can be against free speech with a straight face? America‘s young generation..it looks like. The country has officially self destructed on the very values it stood for..very sad.

What the right calls "cancel culture" is the product of 25 years of tech companies removing any and all ways for users to moderate their environment.

On IRC I can select whose messages I see. I've got ignore. I can throw people out of my rooms with /kick and I can ban them long term with /ban. All rooms I'm in are rooms I've selected myself to be in, so rooms have regulars that know each other. If a banned user returns, it's easy to ban them again, or ban by IP, etc.

Tech companies removed this power from users. I can't say “hey, I only want to see tweets from these people, only they should be able to interact with my tweets, etc.” Because if I could, I could also just ban advertisers from my circles.

If I want to avoid interacting with someone on Twitter, not even blocking the user works. And even if I did block the user, my friends have to repeat it, there's no way of throwing a user out of your entire friend circle.

So the only option available is petitioning Twitter to remove the user from the entire platform. So of course that's what people do.

The methods you give users define their social interactions. Reddit has less of an issue with this because Subreddit mods can rule however they like. But in return, Subreddits have a reputation of being run by power hungry autocrats just like IRC rooms had.

You can 100% mute and block people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, most main line social media platforms. Hell you can even mute keywords on Twitter and never have to deal with seeing another tweet about Will Smith slapping someone.

Should one user be able to decide if another user should be expelled from a platform? That leads to a lot of sticky problems, so no, they shouldn't have that power. Should a user be banned if they violate the terms of the platform (roughly what mods on IRC would do when a user was banned)?

Yes. Yes they should. And they do. It's a liability for platforms to not enforce their own rules.

The issue is that with twitter, you can only ban a user from interacting with you, or from interacting with the entire platform.

Traditionally, there used to be something in between: Ban someone from your small sub-community.

And moderators on most social media platforms only take action if they have to, preferring to stay inactive, while in most social circles people would proactively make sure a new member is a good fit.

> And even if I did block the user, my friends have to repeat it, there's no way of throwing a user out of your entire friend circle.

Being able to throw someone out of your entire friend circle would go far beyond moderating YOUR environment.

Currently, people share block lists to accomplish the same. On Facebook groups, WhatsApp groups, IRC channels or even BBS you also had some users with the ability to throw trolls out.

On Twitter, there’s nothing like this. There’s no way for someone to make a group, post content only to that group, and add/remove users to/from the group.

For millennia, most human conversation happened in such groups. Our social mechanisms haven’t changed quickly enough to hold pace with the technological mechanisms of posting an opinion and having literal billions of potential readers – and commenters.

I guess people will tell you you’re a paranoid old person with a selective memory. But FWIW I hear you and feel your pain on all points. I have but one upvote to give.

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