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> It's not connected to internet

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“As a dumb TV fan who has bought several sets in the last decade, I’m usually told something akin to: “well, just don’t connect the TV to the Internet!” But that route locks you out of firmware updates, and some TV makers remove functionality if you refuse to participate in their online ecosystem. Many smart TV GUIs also need to load before you’re even allowed to switch laggy HDMI inputs.”

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I don’t get that point. A dumb TV would not need firmware updates. And if you’re already shopping like a madman, you should be able to figure out which TV locks out functionality. And the loading UI for the TV; I guess that’s the only fair point.

But it’s clear there’s a hidden point in the argument; I don’t want functionality I won’t use. I don’t want the risk of connecting my TV. The temptation to see what it looks like.

>And if you’re already shopping like a madman, you should be able to figure out which TV locks out functionality.

I recently spent way too much time trying to pick a new TV - mostly based on using it disconnected.

Someone needs to make dumbtv.com where smart TVs are reviewed based on using them as a dumb tv.

>A dumb TV would not need firmware updates.

Post processing, and other parts of rendering are still occurring. For example, if you game, have an Xbox, and a Sony TV, VRR is a feature that gets added to the TV after you buy it.

Can you point me in the direction of a TV that adds basic features like VRR through firmware?

I'm on my second Roku OS TCL tv, and no new features are ever added to those. The firmware updates strictly deal with the app environment.

A TCL Roku example would be the FALD engine. Firmware updates "enhance" the backlight algorithm. One update added it to Game mode.

VRR being added, as I stated, is something Sony has been doing this year.

There may be a firmware that, say, gets you a better decoding algo, or fixes bugs.

It's not always the ads or apps.

The TV doesn't need firmware updates as long as it's able to show me my sources, and "laggy" doesn't matter when the only input it ever has to deal with is whichever smart stick I choose to stick in HDMI 1.

I got a smart LG and let it go on the Internet to get a feel for the apps and webOS (as a Palm fanboy who was curious of how that story ended), and after trying it for a few weeks, it went back offline. Now the TV is turned on and off by the AppleTV connected to it.

to me the lag is pretty annoying because it takes like 10 seconds and 4 button clicks to select hdmi every time

> some TV makers remove functionality if you refuse to participate in their online ecosystem

The whole idea is to have no functionality on the tv. Just display the images ;-)

I've got a cheap TCL Roku TV that definitely fits the description of a cheap TV being subsidized by Roku's software.

The UI is pretty snappy and fast to load up HDMI inputs, and once you figure out how to block the internet without triggering the flashing light, there's not really any loss. The whole POINT is that I'm not using online functionality, so I don't care if I lose it.

Why would I need a firmware update for my TV that I use as a big monitor? It has no network access, I switched it to "PC mode", it displays pixels, it makes sounds, I very occasionally switch inputs.

My new 65" Sony has never been connected to the internet. We can't get 4K resolution, presumably because it's never been updated. Sony tells me they don't have a USB update available "yet." Had I known this would happen I wouldn't have bought it - my old plasma is still working. I didn't wish to connect just for the update and then disconnect over concerns that they would use that connection to download ads onto the firmware at the same time.

That sucks. My Samsung did not have that issue (although it has other weird issues, such as having a button to turn it on without the remote, but not one to turn it off lol)

1 connect to internet

2 update firmware

3 disconnect from internet

Besides, most TVs have an option to update firmware from USB stick.

Sony TVs run near-stock Android TV and can have their firmware updated with a thumb drive. If you elect to use the smarts (I haven’t, I use an Apple TV), you can hook it up to ADB on a laptop and remove the singular bit of dodgy content tracking stuff.

They’re a bit more pricey than a Vizio or something like that, but the quality is great so I think the premium is worthwhile.

As long as I'm able to switch inputs and use HDMI-CEC, I don't care about firmware upgrades. I also don't care that the updates might cause the GUI to load a second or two faster when powering on.

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