What legitimate use apart from creation of infinite, meaningless tokens has Ethereum provided?
What legitimate use apart from creation of infinite, meaningless tokens has Ethereum provided?
I don’t, but people who have specialized in those specific disciplines and spent their time thinking about how these things work have lead to usable cars and usable/better operating systems as a result. USB is a spec that I don’t care how it works, just that it does.
I think crypto concepts like BFT, MEV, consensus, etc are advanced concepts for specialists in the crypto space who are building these same sorts of layers of abstraction that people will generally be using in the future. I don’t need to know how a spark plug works to drive my car, and the average person doesn’t need to understand how a physical device triggers hardware interrupts in the Linux kernel to use a keyboard.
People also don’t need to understand DNS or BGP to use the internet, because some clever folks built RFCs and open protocols that were adopted and bundled together to create web browsers, routers, and the general internet. Things were also rough around the edges in the early days there too, but have now evolved to be a critical part of today’s world. Traditional mail is still a thing but the obvious winds are blowing more and more to use e-mail for things, not because it’s a fad or has a lot of hype, but because it’s demonstrably better.
People here like to throw shade on crypto but there are already useful things (like multisig smart contracts) that are not only unique to crypto and useful today, but imply that there are other new and useful building blocks that need to be realized and developed to unlock more interesting and complex use cases (you can’t have Netflix or e-commerce without DNS and BGP for example, even if the vast majority of users have no idea how it works).
People excited about the space (disclaimer: I am excited about the space) see the possibilities based on the building blocks that exist today, not to mention the very real spike in practical cryptographic research that’s being done (zero knowledge proofs as a field of study has been massively accelerated by the cryptocurrency space). People also struggled to see secure real time video calls or online banking as a result of the DNS protocol being developed or the RSA algorithm being created, but some did see the implications and got very excited about that future.
Ethereum is an experiment and has never not been in development. You saying that crypto can never work or that it’s transparency is pointless because an experimental project has an issue you don’t understand is extreme cherry picking combined with unrealistic expectations on a developing space. Progress is being made all the time and Ethereum is far from the only game in town. I do not understand why those ignorant, even those like yourself who admit just how ignorant you are, attempt to make poignant decelerations about the state of crypto.
Sure, it's technically cool, but it's not the currency it pretends to be.
What do you mean by that? I thought ChainLink solved that pretty well
If the "source of truth" is distributed, what stops somebody from running a worldwide botnet which pretends to be "anonymous chainlink nodes/contributors" and feed false information to the blockchain? Even if there is a price for each node to participate in the consensus mechanism, then you just set up a price which is required before you are allowed to defraud the oracle. How much are you willing to bet on this possibly defraudable oracle?
Secondly, this is an informal discussion on a mainstream forum - one which is pretty strongly against crypto. So forgive me for not being super keen on writing PhD-level responses
The current white paper mentions that for a briber with at most `$d*(n^2 + n)/2`, where n is the number of oracle nodes, there exists a subgame perfect equilibrium for bribers to not issue the bribe and nodes to behave honestly. I can't seem to find a formal proof though.
If you bother to check the listed examples in the white paper, my hand-wavey "trillions of dollars" estimate wouldn't be even that far off, assuming wider adoption of Chainlink.
Aren't they precisely solving the issue?
I’m not sure they ever even outright state that this particular network resolves the oracle problem. Are you sure that’s the article you wanted to share?
Eth has serious problems, as do all proof of work/stake platforms attempting to move around large amounts of data, but it’s not entirely useless in its current state. You seem to have a god critical eye for crypto (as opposed to wholly for or against, or tied to a single project), I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on Saito providing you took the time to grok it.
It's not really feasible anymore due to high gas fees, but there is a real use case for you.
Ethereum introduced the concept of decentralized compute resources, in which it was also a first mover. Judging Ethereum in its current state feels like judging the internet in the 1980's and saying it's not a value provider.
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