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Claiming (in whatever "official" existence this website is for the sellers) anything made in China, or any other non-western country, is "sweatshop-produced junk" is definitely not the way to fix this

Manufacturing has moved to these places in some cases because many customers just can't tell the difference or couldn't care less about the difference

Are the people organized under that website all wearing leather shoes hand sewn in Maine cottages? Or are they wearing more sweatshop produced junk

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> Manufacturing has moved to these places in some cases because many customers just can't tell the difference or couldn't care less about the difference

Your argument does not hold in this case, because Etsy was established and sustained as a marketplace for handmade goods. This is true also for customers, who visited Etsy to support independent artists and artisans and to purchase unique and limited items.

Many of the sellers of cheap knock-offs are engaged in blatant theft of IP and misrepresentation as independent artists.

> Are the people organized under that website all wearing leather shoes hand sewn in Maine cottages? Or are they wearing more sweatshop produced junk

I don’t see what this has to do with anything. But, yes, many sellers try hard to support other artisans. Etsy is but one part of a culture and economy of handmade goods that includes in-person shows and other off-Etsy venues.

Hand-made is kind of a meaningless term these days because it has been abused over and over again. I've seen things that were clearly designed with the help of a computer graphics program, and then cut with a laser cutter described as "handmade". It is supposed to mean something that is made without the use of any machines, yet Etsy sellers seem to think it means "something produced in small batches".

As the previous poster said though, why would I care about the distinction? Are handmade goods supposed to be better? Seems like a ludicrous proposition. Machines are more precise and faster, and so they make things cheaper. The quality depends on the processes used, and materials, not on whether machines are used.

Since I had my first kid I've seen lots of targeted ads for educational toys on social media. Sometimes it goes to Etsy, sometimes it goes to an individual website. The thing is though, at least half of the ads are for products that you can find on AliExpress for half the price or even less.

I've noticed kitchen goods are usually the same. And it's not just Etsy... I've even seen Kickstarters that haven't finished, yet the product can already be purchased on AliExpress :D

Here are a few quick examples I found on Etsy. I just searched for "toys" and these were in the top results. Some of these even use the same photo as AliExpress:

1) https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1173294523/baby-bath-toys-di...

https://a.aliexpress.com/_v1syYw

2) https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1082197084/silicone-stacking...

https://a.aliexpress.com/_vD7zYA

3) https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1036245657/rainbow-stacking-...

https://a.aliexpress.com/_vDw2AA

As far as I am concerned Etsy is not a place for home made goods, it's a place to learn how marketing and drop shipping works.

Rhetoric aside, the point is that mass-manufactured products do not belong on Etsy.

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