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I agree things aren't the best and you make several valid points. However, seems to me that you are in the camp who would rather shit on their own country instead of finding ways to make things better for everyone. You too are a part of the privileged class at this moment - sitting in the US (presumably).

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Shit on your own country? What does that even mean? The place you were born by chance? Now you have to “own” it as an identity? Do you have the same beliefs about government? religion? caste? race? I suggest you try freeing yourself of such burden.

Ah. You fell for the trap. The good old “you mean more than you said just because you were critical of some aspects of the country”. The parent made your argument a straw man, beat it down in his mind, and made you angry.

I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that. That's where the country of birth becomes important for me.

> I know with 100% certainty that unless I go fight for something like ISIS, India will take me back without any problems. No one else will do that.

It's going off-topic now for the thread, but since you mentioned it: Some European countries do just that.

https://www.dw.com/en/over-100-islamic-state-fighters-return...

> Authorities believe that 1,060 IS fighters left Germany for Syria or Iraq, of which a third have since returned, the Interior Ministry said. Germany is taking a "holistic approach" in dealing with ex-jihadi fighters, including deradicalization and reintegration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55387991

> Germany and Finland have repatriated five women and 18 children from Syrian camps housing suspected family members of Islamic State (IS) militants.

Incidentally, on the thread topic, I too turned my back on the US and returned to Germany in 2004 after about 8 years and with no visa or job trouble and a good outlook. Back to Germany, in my case, and also after thinking about the bigger picture. I'm a co-founder of a small software company here now. Healthcare, politics (so divisive, and divided, here in Germany it's so much more mild except for the far-right Russia-friendly AfD party), housing costs. Well, the latter is really bad now in Germany too but the rest remains good.

In general the idea of removing somebody's citizenship for any reason is highly problematic, as it leads to the possibility of a get-out clause around the inalienable rights that citizens are supposed to have.

I think in the mentioned cases, and maybe in similar ones I heard of before, the alternative was not to revoke citizenship, but to let them rot in a foreign jail.

Do an exercise for me since you have freed yourself from the burden of natural identity. Go to a foreign nation and destroy your password.

It will teach you a practical lesson in natural identity. Do make sure to go to a nation that you think is the greatest nation in human lifetime.

I think of myself as the equivalent of an atheist when it comes to all kinds of identities: national, linguistic, religious, caste, etc.

It behooves us to call out shitty stuff just as it behooves us to work towards bettering our surroundings in increasingly larger circles.

passport not password.

Presumed wrong. I don’t comment on the state of affairs without having been back. Again I want to contribute to humanity and this planet, I don’t pledge allegiance to a line drawn by dipshits 70 years back.

You don't want to indentify as an Indian or a person of Indian origin. Yet you couldn't keep yourself from commenting on this thread.

> If you are a guy (or worse a girl) who insists it’s not that bad in india, then you grew up with extreme privilege or are extremely clueless about realities of life in this country.

What kind of argument is this even? "If you disagree with me, you're clueless"?

There's definitely some "I'll shit on my birth country to win Western approval" energy here..

> There's definitely some "I'll shit on my birth country to win Western approval" energy here..

Stop projecting.

How exactly are you contributing to humanity and this planet? Can you practically have no allegiance to any country or be citizen of no country?

Post-nationalism/transnationalism FTW

> Again I want to contribute to humanity and this planet,

I assume you're going to travel on a "humanity" passport...? Or are you going to eat some crow and "pledge allegiance" to some country?

Just because he recognizes the absurdities of jingoistic tribalism across arbitrary longitudinal lines doesn't mean that he's unaware of the unfortunate reality of the world we live in.

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