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> the timing is just so much convenient for the west

Convenient how? The west will still do nothing.

Meanwhile Russia is trying to demoralize the Ukrainians into accepting shitty peace terms knowing they won't face real repercussions while trying to save face.

If this actually was proven to be a false flag the Ukrainian state would be done, forever. You might think your logic is sound but it isn't.

And that's on top of the fact that, well, all evidence points to Russia doing it.

> The west will still do nothing.

Haven't you read Russian propaganda? The west (which is the devil, basically) is waging war against Russia. The west is the reason Russia is a shithole rural petro-state. Also, the west is trying to turn Russian men into gays. After this incident, the west will ramp up the 'war' by not sending troops or firing anything in Russia's general direction even HARDER. But will still try to turn Russians gay and make fun of Putin, because in the limited universe of the Russian propagandist, 'the west' is the end-all enemy of Russian greatness.

Did I mention that the west is to blame for Ukraine getting invaded by the Russians? In the spirit of "Look What You Made Me Do", Russia was basically forced to bomb hospitals and schools. It will all be Biden's fault when Russia becomes a larger North Korea.

Did I also mention Russia has 0 agency? Everything it does is driven by the west.

I don't know where to start with people like you. The west very obviously encouraged ukranian nationalism, which does threaten russian people, and very obviously encouraged Kiev not ro implement the Minsk accords, which provoked the war (together with other factors). Your country indeed did everything it could to prevent Russia from developing: it is called "containing Russia" by the american newspeak. I don't have the time to deal with the rest of your "views" - it is just an arrogant and mean caricature.

And you are very obviously talking out of your ass, indeed.

I think it's also safe to brush aside Russian nationalism which literally threatens the whole planet. I didn't say that. The Russian president 'itself' said it right before he made a fool of 'itself' and of his army.

> I don't have the time to deal with the rest of your "views"

Please don't. Do the world a favor and invest your time in more productive endeavors.

Ukrainian nationalism threatens the Russian people? How? You think Ukraine is going to march on Moscow? (Let us note very carefully who invaded whom here.)

What's actually happening is ethnic Russians in Ukraine getting a taste of non-Putin flavored government which would spill over into Russia. The battle here is not over some land or some resources. Putin does not want the example of an EU Ukraine to serve as a goal for his own people. An orange revolution in Moscow is what's keeping the geriatric clown up at night. This is what it wants removed. This is the actual translation of 'Ukrainian nationalism threatening Russia'. A free, prosperous, democratic Ukraine would inspire Russians to want the same thing at home. Just look at what the Russian soldiers are looting. It's very similar to some backwards iron curtain peasants suddenly ending up in Paris.

Haha take your upvote.

Depressing that Russians and tankies believe it though.

I will go with the propaganda from a state that doesn't literally control mass media and where we don't shoot journalists in the street or poison dissidents. Thank you very much for such a valuable input, 40 day old account with negative karma which exclusively posts Russian misinformation about the war in Ukraine.

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