These are Ukrainians found tortured, mutilated, raped and killed, not Russians. There is plenty of evidence in the linked article. Please don't do this here.
You could tell a Russian from a Ukrainian in that video? I can't tell them apart even in person.
What makes you think you can give advices on what people should or shouldn't do here?
If you don't need proper investigation to figure out who actually did that - it's your choice. But don't try to censor those who think not like you.
Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers. Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and children lay raped and dead on the earth of Ukraine is not defensible. Please don't do this here.
As the US passed a law to invade the Hague in case the ICC ever tries to accuse the US of war crimes, I'm assuming the US is not a "peer".
> Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and children lay raped and dead on the earth of Ukraine is not defensible. Please don't do this here.
Israel was murdering Palestinian children in the West Bank and Gaza last year, backed by the US. Accounts of that posted here which managed not to be flagged were heavily "defended" with concerned deflections, where are your comments all over those threads to not deflect and do that here? Or the ongoing Saudi massacres of Yemeni, which the US backs and are happening now. Or the US drone attack on children in Kabul last August? When are those war crime trials starting?
Ignorance is bliss indeed :(
No one is saying any of those atrocities that occurred were defensible, least of all me.
But I am deeply concerned by the defense of an imperial power in its twilight that believes invasion in the 21st century is a sound method for solving disputes. Russia is the aggressor here. Apologies are not needed for its behavior or appropriate when Mariupol has been turned into a new Grozny and Odessa is next.
I live in the EU. Most nations of the EU (all?) have quit invading other sovereign nations to solve their disputes, especially overt landgrabs. What exactly do you intend to convey by pointing out hypocrisy here? Do you have a solution to propose? Should we/I stop caring about an aggressive state power at our doorstep because hypocrisy exists?
This is true, my intention isn't to derail the topic of the thread. Just pointing out that "whataboutism" is often just a defense for "stop pointing out my hypocrisy".
>Most nations of the EU (all?) have quit invading other sovereign nations to solve their disputes, especially overt landgrabs.
Unless its in Palestine or Western Sahara?
>Do you have a solution to propose?
Yes, perhaps if the West wasn't so hypocritical on ignoring its own numerous war crimes, then countries like China/India and entire regions like South America/Middle East would be more willing to support the West in conflicts like Ukraine. Its obviously too late for that now, but something to keep in mind for the future.
Its a tangential point, but you can't expect people to help you or care when you refuse to show them the same sympathy.
Proper investigations means independent and not biased, which is clearly not the case for you and those who blame without any evidence, just because media provided a nice picture. Will it ever be the case and will russian forces be there or someone else is to be found. Unfortunately massive campaign on media blaming russia for that hints us the proper investigation will never take place.
And lastly - luckily it's not your private space, so please don't behave like you own it. If you enjoy echo-chambers there are plenty of places for that. HN is one of few where people freely express substantiated POV.