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But wouldn't that have the same issue then? Developers decide to update their dependencies to patch any security vulnerabilities, and wind up adding installing node-ipc's malicious update

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The difference is that it's an explicit choice instead of other package managers who'd happily install latest compromised versions of packages by default.

But if its a manual explicit choice, that adds more friction to these patches, and many developers may not update them at all. It's a trade off

A manual choice can be easily automated; an automatic choice can be difficult-to-impossible to de-automate.

It is trivial to manually upgrade dependencies in NPM. You just use `npm update <package>` with an optional version number if you want. And upgrading all dependencies of a Go package is also a single command. So honestly it seems like there is very little difference. My main point here is the trade-off. Either you reduce the friction for upgrades, and run the risk of malicious upgrades like node-ipc. Or you increase the friction, and run the risk of security vulnerabilities being unpatched in many projects.

I personally prefer the former. Encourage upgrades, but then NPM should also have a separate repository for community verified / trusted packages to reduce the chance of a random single developer damaging the entire ecosystem (left-pad, node-ipc, etc)

If I set up a new Node project I get the highest 'supported' version of whatever. If I add a new dependency I get the latest version of any transitive dependency I didn't already have. As far as I know that's impossible to disable. That's the automated upgrade I mean.

I see, in that case yes Go does have more tooling for being able to install the minimum vs the latest of all packages, using their `update` command if you want the latest. But it would also be trivial for Node to add a command to grab the minimum of all dependencies when installing new packages. They just haven't felt the need to add such a feature. Because again, it comes down to which side you want to encourage: installing minimum versions to prevent malicious updates, or installing latest to patch security vulnerabilities.

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