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Definitely not spending any time on the internet soliciting business, you can check. Either the product speaks for itself or it doesn't, that's up to you - I have zero desire to market any wares. I read hn from time to time and saw a folding bike posts at #2 and thought I could enrich the discussion as there was no mention of Helix. If you're into folding bikes or cycling, why not find out about what else is available?

Also not avoiding any questions or intentionally lying. At the time I checked I missed the lower cost bike from PlanetX. Aliexpress would be cheaper as well, so I concede.

Your very presence in this thread exists to solicit business. I'm beginning to see a trend here when it comes to you and your company's representations of reality.

> lie

Can we do better than this? It is not welcome here, per the HN guidelines, and poisons everyone who sees it. It's also an accusation without evidence, and therefore meaningless in regard to the accused.

I truly think it's the most clinically sterile word to describe what he (and his company... this isn't just a HN issue) are doing and continue to do. In his own response he didn't even challenge the statement that he is lying, but doubled down and says he's not soliciting new business even though he dropped in on a different bike thread to hawk his bike (er.... "down payment for theoretical hypothetical bike in the future") to anyone who was interested in the completely legitimate, in-production one that OP posted.

Where did he lie in this discussion? Where is actual evidence?

If you don't think "lie" is the appropriate word here, then might I suggest "deliberate fraudulent misrepresentation" instead?

There's evidence that this company has been misleading customers about order status for at least 7 years. How much more evidence do you need?

The comment in question said they lied here. Where is the evidence?

The comment in question, and others provided that evidence: statements from customers that they were still waiting on their bikes, several years after ordering.

If you want more than that, the ball is in your court to follow up on it.

> If you want more than that, the ball is in your court to follow up on it.

We don't have time to dig up evidence for other people's comments, and that claim, even if true, would not be evidence that they lied (delayed shipping are not lies), and not be evidence that they lied here.

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