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I thought Musk is constantly railing for free speech on Twitter (he inserts himself into any major event, trucker protests, Ukraine). Awaiting his commentary.

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And Musk suffers the negative consequences of his speech, including many people, like yourself, criticizing him.

It's "free speech", not "speech free on consequences".

Employee didn't loose his free speech rights. Tesla didn't censor him, they didn't ask him to take down the youtube videos etc.

Employee lost his job because he did something stupid, that reflected badly on the company.

No, the negative consequences would be prison time. It is one thing for him to say stupid things on Twitter, but the 'Full Self Driving' scheme is perhaps the biggest fraud the world has ever seen. Tesla claimed to have a system back in 2016 which needed no human input whatsoever. At the current state of development Teslas will crash into concrete pillars without human intervention. Musk's lies are illegal and he has not paid for them.

I know that OP was talking about the fact that Musk is a manchild, but I'm more concerned about the fact that he's leading a criminal conspiracy.

Free Speech is a value. Musk espouses the value of Free Speech. This is a violation of the principle and value of Free Speech.

Who would win: someone on an unrelated website saying I post dumb things on twitter, or my employer firing me in retaliation.

Neither. Half a giraffe would claim the victory.

There's no takedown request on the videos.

You just can't be an employee that violates your NDA by giving insider scoops.

Tesla was aware of the youtube channel and Tesla made a big deal about dropping NDAs on FSD last year.

It could be that it was perceived as a general conflict of interest. Maybe even be both ways; Tesla could be concerned that he's seemingly reviewing the product independently, without it being clear enough that he works for Tesla, akin to Amazon sellers reviewing their own products.

It's also possible that he was let go for reasons completely unrelated to the YouTube channel.

There were no insider scoops. He demonstrated the product he purchased.

He didn't purchase FSD Beta, because it isn't for sale. Current FSD is for sale, and you will receive FSD Beta update when it gets out of beta. The only way to currently get FSD Beta is get selected (after applying) into the beta tester group for it.

If you want to record videos or reviews of yourself driving current FSD (that's for sale), you are more than welcome to, no one will stop you, and you aren't breaking any rules. FSD Beta is literally a beta tester program. And selective small-audience beta tests for all kinds of products typically carry extra restrictions in terms of what you can publicly reveal as a participant.

And subject to selective enforcement. Because I sure don't see each and every FSD beta video getting pulled.

Tesla doesn't have a full self-driving product to sell. Tesla's been lying about it for nine years now:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...

https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne...

Bernal demonstrated the product he purchased.

He didn't insert himself into the Ukraine situation. Ukraine reached out to him first. If you're going to complain at least keep facts straight.

Ukraine invited him for a duel with Putin?

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-challenges-vladimir-putin...

"Elon Musk has upped the stakes in his proposed fight with Vladimir Putin over Ukraine, telling the Russian president he can even "bring his bear."

That is more recent and is just him trolling Rogozin (head of Roscosmos) which he's been doing for many years. Rogozin has attacked Musk personally for many years as well. From 2014: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/trampoline-...

The only thing specifically related to Ukraine was Ukraine (specifically their minister of digital transformation) reaching out to Musk via twitter.

That whole exchane is actually about starlink working on firmware that prevents russian electronic warfare from blocking starlink in Ukraine.

Of course Starlink is working on the firmware. Musk works on a lot of things, like minisubs to rescue children. But it's unclear they will deliver, because (a) it's a hard problem and (b) Musk has an issue with deadlines, and seems particularly bad at actions that need immediate handling.

They already delivered Starlink and it's working in Ukraine. They're making improvements to mitigate jamming but to imply they didn't "deliver" is absurd. Regarding similar projects, there are more success stories (e.g. Tonga) than failures but they're ignored since they don't fit into a simple narrative.

Yes, they did in fact deliver the star links. I was talking about the anti-jamming/anti-detecting firmware. Given that various militaries have thrown billions upon billions on radar/comms jamming and detecting, it seems like it's probably a hard problem.

There's a lot that can be done to help in terms of preventing jamming and detecting, and it mostly involves a tradeoff with bandwidth/latency. The simple approach to evade jamming is to decrease the FEC (forward error correction) ratio (meaning using more bandwidth to send each bit, simply put) and increase retransmit backoff and any timeouts, to make detection harder you would send packets from the user's dish less frequently and with random delay (increasing upstream latency).

Both could be countered by a sophisticated adversary, but the Russian troops may be a little preoccupied at the moment, and their EW teams are probably going to focus on Bayraktar before Starlink...

Starlink have already enabled "Roaming" for Ukraine which involves similar tradeoffs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDVURcvWeg (in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the changes enabled for roaming also improve jamming resilience)

I didn't mean to say I'm unimpressed with Starlink as a whole. It's a cool piece of technology. I just wanted to say that the issues they're facing are truly serious and have had huge resources thrown at them.

Meanwhile, I assume it's far easier to take out Starlink than Bayraktar. In no small part because interference was part of the threat model when Bayraktar's hardware and software were being designed. And they can get a lot of results for less effort with Starlink.

Since the assumed context is free speech, I think they're referring to Starlink not random Musk memes.

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