lol, this is what happens when massive organizations with bloated budgets have nothing to do. Suddenly an extremely small group of sad, disaffected weirdos have been branded terrorists.
I think we need a disgruntled ex postal worker task force too.
I think we need a disgruntled ex postal worker task force too.
I think ContraPoints video on this was good at summarizing the themes that are common though - and to be honest - most incels just seem like guys who are down on their luck and hate themselves more than they hate women. Sure - you get some psychos but I think psychos exist in every ideology. I’ve yet to see one that doesn’t have them.
But that's what makes the "self-proclaimed incel" worldview so strange and twisted in the first place. They make "not getting any" into a part of their identity, so normalization of hate towards women isn't that far behind. By and large, guys who are just "down on their luck" would never self-identify with this "incel" thing.
The other aspect of it is that it's not purely mental or what not. It's not like they just need to take a shower and put on a clean shirt. It's something far more fundamental that is broken and many are autists/aspies. Some are normal but the overwhelming case is that many have very unpleasant physical features. So, they're just ugly dudes who might not have anything exceptional to note about them. Add in a bit of social anxiety, awkwardness, etc.
The guys like the Santa Barbara killer and what not are just unhinged psychos. I don't think being an "incel" at that point has any relation. Just as many unhinged psychos going on about degradation of their race of choice, immigrants are yadda yadda, etc. These people just needed something - anything - to latch their psychosis onto. If it wasn't for race crimes - they'd think people were secretly Nazis or something and they were killing them for the good of humanity.
I guess my point is - I find that many people in these communities who have degenerate views of women and what not are also people who have degenerate views of other classes of people too. They have a fundamental brain/belief-system/way-they-were-raised issue. The incel community is just an outlet for that degeneracy.
Don't speak for me!
The big question that security experts and social researcher ask is if such profiling do anything to actually reduce the number of terrorists attacks, and if it is cost effective compare to just regular investigative police work.
There is also a portion of the population that dislike profiling of religious/political views, and view profiling as a slippery slope towards authoritarianism.
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I think some form of compassionate outreach is probably a better approach to that problem than branding them terrorists.
I happen to agree re: positive outreach. But outreach is a prophylactic measure, and the incel “movement” (as it were) contains people who run the spectrum from reachable with traditional support to people who merely lack the means to kill at the current moment. Both need to be addressed.
Processes of violence have much higher variance in terms of the number of casualties, and the consequences of networks of actors even moreso, because, tragically, the events are not wholly independent and there can be multiplicative effects if one copies another, if a community that leads people toward committing acts of violence forms, etc.
I agree we should remain vigilant about encroachment upon our civil rights, who is being accused of 'future crimes' ex ante, etc., but to treat each as the same kind of statistical outcome-generating process is not the most useful mental model imo.
Yeah, it's called legalized prostitution.