But as said: Everybody is free to decide to drink alcohol, shoot drugs (even if possession may be a problem), smoke, do bungee jumping, drive a motorbike without protection and what not in terms of dangerous activities. No problem at all - as a free society we need to an do accept that these behaviors lie within the free will and control of others.
The same with (most) vaccines. In some cases it makes sense for a society to decide that the greater evil is to let a virus run free in society and order everybody to vaccinate. In some cases a society might (rightfully imho) decide that enforcing a specific vaccination enables more freedom overall for the majority.
And that - as a democratic process - is also perfectly fine.
So society needs to accept the freedom of individuals not to use modern medicine/science/vaccines up to a point as these individuals need to accept when this point is reached. that is what makes a free and democratic society possible. Both sides have are responsible to ensure the most freedom for all parts of society.
If either side overshoots/goes into extreme you get either a dictatorial(-ish) system or an anarchical one.
Line we did with Sars-CoV-2 but probably not with as many resources to be able to do these in quite such rapid succession. And like with any former, non mRNA vaccine (and any other drug as well) these studies will be used to determine whether or not to go into the next phase.
Modern medicine has some of the most secure practices, processes and methods to determine whether or not a treatment/vaccine can be securely administered.
Surely in the end (especially in most non pandemic cases) we have the individual decision to use a treatment/vaccine or take the risk of being infected /using another treatment.
And as said - this is OK. As long as the reasons for not using an intervention are based on facts and not on lies and myths. Or on an irrational fear of 'big pharma'.
I can understand fear. I needed to actually read the studies regarding the Sars-CoV-2 vaccines myself. I needed to compare them to studies for other vaccines. I needed to understand the science first to counter my fear of 'wow that is quite fast - I am not sure this is secure'.
But using my brain I was able to evaluate the risks associated with the vaccine and the risks associated with contracting Covid. And from there it was a nobrainer to get vaccinated and boostered.
I would do the same for the respective risk profiles for other vaccines/infections.
As someone working at a vaccine company, I am the opposite of a science denier. We seem to agree on most things here.
The original point was narrowly scoped, specifically as a criticism of Moderna or perhaps all vaccines approved under emergency authorization. I am not aware of any specific risk, and so I accept them as safe, but at the same time I haven't gone out of my way to do any kind of deep research on it. So personally I'm ambivalent about the criticism of moderna - but I don't wish the stifle it or paint the person as a crazy anti-vaxer.
Not wanting to try experimental procedures is now anti science
If we are talking about MRNA vaccines we are talking about over 1.9 billion doses world wide. When these would have had any significant side effects we would have noticed these on a very, very big scale by now.
So if concern about immidiate side effects is irrational how about delayed effects? So the idea that "something" about MRNA vaccines would produce unforseen side effects long (years?) after the agent has left the body. I am not an expert by any strech, but what I read about how RNA (even our own natural one) is dealt with in our body it is extremely unlikely there would be any mechanism to execute this kind of delayed effect. Natural virus RNA enters our bodies since we exist as human beings – if foreign RNA would have dramatic delayed effects we would observe this constantly. If the spike protein RNA from the MRNA vaccine is supposed to give you delayed side effects on a grand scale, why would the same RNA from the actual virus not do it?
Are delayed side effects suddenly popping up something we observed in the history of medicine? So e.g. people getting a fever with 18 and then ten years later suddenly dying. If this would happen regularily, we would certainly have figured out that a big percentage of those who suddenly died had the fever in common etc. But such delayed effects are not something I ever heard of – if you have a long term effect of an infection (or vaccination) the "long term" doesn't mean the damage shows up after a long term. What it means is that you have the damage right away, but it will stay with you for a long term.
Of course the damage of such long term effects might be such, that it doesn't show any negative effects right away, only years later when your body gets weaker or some other conditions change. But we vaccinated over 1.9 billion people, the law of big numbers would mandate that there would have been many people where these hyptothetical long term effects would have shown negative consequences right away (e.g. if you are old and weak etc), but such negative consequences did not show up at a significant number (quite the opposite actually, traditional vaccines had and still have more of those).
The only thing left after that are vague feelings that you don't trust science or that you can never know what happens in the future etc. But if one makes that argument, it has to count for the actual virus as well, right? We don't know what happens to those infected by the virus in the long term as well. But for the actual virus there is at least evidence of negative long term effects (long covid).
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51
For example, this recent Swedish paper detailing in-vitro DNA modification (reverse transcription) by COVID-19 vaccine mRNA, in human liver cells:
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
And this is just one of many concerns (and the above paper isn't the only verification of that particular concern). For example the proprietary lipids fascilitating the entry of the mRNA into cells have been shown to exhibit high cytotoxicity.
Coupled with ongoing legal revelations as a result of FOIA requests - https://phmpt.org - regarding what the FDA knew about the safety profile of the shots, versus what they told the public at the time, along with FDA's otherwise bizarre reticence to release such data that is clearly in the publics interest, these shots are seeming less and less "safe and effective" by the day. (Lawyer Aaron Siri does some write ups regarding this FDA case.)
Indeed, it's common knowledge now the "effective" part was mishandled, so it shouldn't be surprising - especially, in a social and media climate actively preventing emergent negative signals - that it might turn out safety was mishandled also.
"Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19"[0]
It's worth noting the following analysis:
"Immunologists and virologists complained on social media around 6 months ago about a recently-created sham scientific journal called "International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research" (IJVTPR) which was supposedly created by anti-vaxxers and intended to release anti-vax research papers. Since then I have noticed one specific IJVTPR paper, "Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19" frequently cited in anti-vax forums all over the internet."
"No reputable experts authored the paper: No professional immunologist, virologist, or vaccine specialist took part in the authoring of this paper. It turns out the paper's primary authors are:
Stephanie Seneff, a senior Computer Science and AI (no professional expertise in medicine, vaccines, immunology, or virology) researcher at MIT who, according to her Wikipedia entry, "...began publishing controversial papers in low-impact, open access journals on biology and medical topics; the articles have received 'heated objections from experts in almost every field she's delved into'..." Greg Nigh, a naturopathic physician (not an MD, DO or PhD, degree from "National College of Natural Medicine"), licensed acupuncturist and founder of Immersion Health in Portland, Oregon."[1]
[0] https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51 [1] https://www.metabunk.org/threads/need-help-further-debunking...