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Your homepage pulls something off:

   facebook.net
   googletagmanager.com
   profitwell.com
   hotjar.com

Ain't that some potent irony.

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I think you're being a bit hard on them... The FB and GTM are likely to track how well their ads are converting users - it's reasonable for them to advertise to try to get this service infront of your eyeballs. Facebook doesn't sell user data, just uses it for (selling) advertising.

Hotjar is great for providing heatmaps to see what parts of their site are working/ not I mean sure it's tracking you but only on that site AFAIK?

Now I'm not familiar with profitwell, but just seems like a basic CRM.

I think there's a pretty big difference between this basic Marketing SaaS tools / advertising conversion tracking and doing something like collecting your personal real life data and making it easy for anyone to search/dox you online.

You must be joking. A bit hard on them?

They sell removal of personal information off the Internet, and yet they feed tracking data on their visitors to companies directly responsible for nearly complete evisceration of personal online privacy.

I may be in the minority, but I make a distinction between personal IRL information like searching my name reveals my phone number or address. And online tracking information like when I have this cookie or browse from this IP, show me more X. Also Facebook is a large responsible company (no major data breaches, etc.) I know they're hated on, but something like Equifax is several orders of magnitude worse in my opinion.

Facebook (and maybe Google?) buy data about me to try to match me online so they can provide ads on their own service, but they don't reveal my data to anyone else - advertisers don't get my phone number or physical address or even email from them, when they want to advertise to me.

The companies that optery seems to be fighting against are ones that post my physical address and phone number and family members and name online in one spot so anyone can find it, without me ever opting in to that.

>> Also Facebook is a large responsible company (no major data breaches, etc.)

First result for: "facebook data breach"

"Data from 533 million people in 106 countries was published on a hacking forum earlier this month. Facebook said the data was old, from a previously reported leak in 2019. It has denied any wrongdoing, saying that the data was scraped from publicly available information on the site."

Dated: April 20th 2021

There was 100% phone numbers linked to real names and email addresses (at a minimum) in that breach. That may not be what you would consider to be major, however.

You are right, these scrips could only be loaded after user consent.

We’ve been testing ads on Facebook, even though we don't love their privacy track record. But what Facebook and Google do with ads targeting, is very different than what the people search and data broker sites do posting and selling people’s email, phone number, IP address, home address, political party, ethnicity, etc in plain text on the web.

Profitwell helps us with revenue reporting and metrics, Hotjar helps us improve our user experience, and Google Tag Manager makes the delivery of these vendor’s tags a little easier.

We disclose the third party vendors we use here: https://www.optery.com/how-we-secure-your-data/

Would you consider not loading facebook and google for logged in users? I understand there is a difference but your selling privacy.

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