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If only someone was there, able to take pictures and report on it! You know, like all the news organizations across the world. Or refugees were streaming out of the area with horror stories. And satellite pictures and spy planes showed Russian troop movements. And the tyrant of Russia even said he was sending troops into another sovereign country, while contextualizing it under an obviously false narrative (that would imply the democratically elected ethnically Jewish president of Ukraine was a neo-nazi), and threatening a nuclear response to any armed involvement by other countries.

Oh if only.

Get out of here with however many worthless rubles you're getting paid.

Should we also tell them about all of the WMDs we found in Iraq that those same news organizations told us existed for sure? How many other false narratives do those "trusted" organizations need to tell before you stop trusting them?

Maybe US media was different (I wasn't in the US in 2003, and too young to read foreign media at the time), but here in Europe the media was pretty clear that it was a case of "The UN inspectors didn't find any WMDs but the USA insist they're there". There was a significant protest movement here to ban the US air force from our airports because they were using them as stopping points on the way to Iraq.

I don't think the rest of the West took the US invasion of Iraq as uncritically as you think they did

>> that those same news organizations told us existed for sure

No they didn't. They reported on what US leadership was claiming; they did not claim to have seen it, did not provide video footage, did not have people in Iraq going "Yep. Right there. That WMD. Right there. Oh, also, over there is the crater where they tested it", etc etc.

That is precisely what is happening now. They are reporting what US leadership, intel agencies, and outright silly propaganda tells them. They don't have boots on the ground. It's "Yep, there's the Ghost of Kyiv right there in this video game footage. Yep, that's a granny torching 100 Russky tanks".

>Get out of here with however many worthless rubles you're getting paid.

You're triggered because I have a different opinion. It's coming from fear and pain. I feel nothing but compassion for you right now.

I don't think you understand what 'triggered' means; you certainly don't know where my post is coming from. Feel whatever you like; the point is your attempts at projecting yourself as some critical thinker only paint you as someone with their fingers in their ears, eyes closed, choosing to believe what you want to believe rather than what the entirety of evidence indicates.

Well at least you didn’t call it the fog of a “special military operation”

I wonder what happens if the caller on the other side replies with the famous universal-fake-news-one-upper:

"What, you really believe Ukraine exists ? Wake up, sheeple !!"

Well when the original comment is flagged (and not merely downvoted) on a topic that is just a call to activism (which, honestly, why is this here?), it's almost proof positive that in fact there are "sheeple" attempting to prevent anything that questions their narrative from entering the discourse. I image the wisdom of "I don't automatically trust my TV" will AGAIN only be judged as wise AFTER the fact. For now, it's unwelcome trolling of the typical hacker news user, who is barely distinguishable from the average reddit user.

https://blog.feedspot.com/ukraine_blogs/

https://ukraineworld.org/

https://ukraineworld.org/podcasts/ep-74

Ep. № 74: 11 days of war: Russia tortures civilians, Ukraine begs to close the skies March 6, 2022

Russia continues to torture civilians and shell humanitarian corridors, breaking earlier commitments to let civilians to evacuate from war-torn cities. Ukraine is begging NATO to close the skies over the country or at least to provide more air defense systems. There is a humanitarian disaster in the Kyiv suburbs. We continue our “Explaining Ukraine” podcast by sharing our analysis of the Russian invasion and Ukrainian resistance. Hosts: Volodymyr Yermolenko, analytics director at Internews Ukraine, and Tetyana Ogarkova, in charge of international outreach at the Ukraine Crisis Media Centre. The “Explaining Ukraine” podcast is a product by UkraineWorld.org. Support us at patreon.com/ukraineworld

Blogs? That's anecdotal evidence and is therefore completely unreliable and should be dismissed. At least that's what we have been told every day for over a year.

What they're doing is quite medieval. They're encircling cities, cutting them off, then shelling them into oblivion, cutting off food and resources. Literally a modern day Roman siege.

>What they're doing is quite medieval. They're encircling cities, cutting them off, then shelling them into oblivion, cutting off food and resources.

Yeah, that's how sieges work. The concept might have been around for ages, but so has warfare and we don't call them (eg. us invasion of iraq) "quite medieval".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege#Modern_warfare

That’s how Red Army denazified Berlin back then.

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