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Finland like solution would have been the best option (demilitarization? have your army renamed self defense force! denazification? heck, outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor)

I mean implementing the damn Minsk deal now seems like fantasy, but no sane person needs this hell to continue!

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How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic? How about opposing blatantly illegal, unprovoked military aggression against a sovereign country as forcefully as possible?

Frankly, the people calling for Ukraine to just accept what's happening - those who aren't just Russian trolls anyway - are absolutely disgusting.

>How about allowing sovereign countries to remain democratic?

Are you the aware that the west funded a revolution to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader in 2014 and install a more west-friendly replacement?

This is just what you have been told.

Google nuland tapes

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

There seems to be a continuous supply of people joining in to discuss this subject here on HN who haven't done any research whatsoever.

That is not what happened. Ukraine elected a leader (with the help of Paul Manafort, who Putin paid for his efforts) that lied about his intentions to join the EU. In fact when he was in power he did an about face on his stated goals and stopped the process of getting into the EU. When he was deposed he fled to Russia - the country that put him in power in the first place.

Basically, Putin subverted Ukrainian democracy by helping to get a puppet elected. Ukrainians did not like that.

The Minsk agreements wholly benefit Russia. Why the hell would Ukraine accept those terms?

I agree, it was literally signed at gunpoint, and it always was political suicide for whomever signed it, but wouldn’t any agreement have been better than what’s happening?

> outlaw Nazi symbolic doing humanity a favor

I just wonder how EU citizens(Germans especially) would react when Azov Batallion becomes the part of EU military force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Disbanding this battalion sounds like the sort of thing that might be a condition of joining the EU.

Even more ironically, Germany is suppliing these guys with weapons, so Russians are fighting not just Nazi, but Nazi with Panzerfausts

And some of those Russians are Russian National Unity. One of em was governor of breakaway Donbas too after leading it's militia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity

Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking.

And Putin who funded a myriad of far-right and neo nazi groups across europe for the past 2 decades.

RNE is actually banned in Russia. You can go to jail for having their symbolics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector is not banned and actually is taking part in Ukrainian politics and military.

>Then there's Kadrykov who with his calling for the killing of jews doesn't march far from that line of thinking.

Did you mean Kadyrov? Where did you find these statements?

Ironically, that's the one of the Putin's terms to end the war. It's called 'denazification'.

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