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pastacacioepepe

> Seems like nukes, NATO, or EU membership are the only way to be sure Russia won't invade, if you're a neighbor.

Sorry, this is not true. Misinformed at best.

Russia has been warning for years that they won't tolerate having another NATO country adjacent to their border.

Every single analysist knew that offering NATO membership to Ukraine would have caused a conflict. And yet we went ahead and offered it.

Without this expansionist step from our side the situation would have never escalated.

This is well documented and confirmed by top notch geopolitical analyst and even NATO officials.

So you want to keep Russia out of a country? Don't offer them the NATO membership.

Why would we expand NATO anyway? It is only an aggressive move and I don't understand why we keep doing it, unless we have an interest in causing conflicts like this one and then polarizing the world into a new cold war.

Check recent history. Who's waging unwarranted wars thousands of miles away from their borders all over the world? It's not Russia, it's us! We are the imperialist here, not them.

> Without this expansionist step from our side the situation would have never escalated.

Where do you put the annexation of Crimea in this timeline?

How many times were the Chechens offered to join NATO?

This is more agitprop -- "it's NATO expanding, we had to do this, it's their fault". Bollocks.

These are independent, sovereign countries who have a history of being abused by Russia and the Soviet Union. You know what happens if you're not in NATO? You get abused by Russia.

Do you want to make a comparison between the populations abused by post-USSR Russia and the populations abused by USA/NATO/Europe? Trust me, it wouldn't bode well for the west. If you talk about the Chechens, I could talk about Koreans, Vietnamese, Afghan, Iraquis, Iranians, Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, Lybians, Congolese, Palestinians, Chileans. I stop here, but we know the list goes on.

Where were you while we oppresed and slaughtered millions of innocent civilians across the world?

The biggest country in the world trying to subjugate its smaller neighbors is not imperialist?

> Check recent history. Who's waging unwarranted wars thousands of miles away from their borders all over the world?

How often has NATO done that? Care to name some examples?

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