Hacker News Reader

Comment by mantas | Hacker News Reader

The problem is how to separate Russians fleeing Putin from Russians who just look for financial comfort and still support Putin.

One of stark examples is Turks in Germany still voting for Erdogan.

View on HN

You’re for annihilating the economy of a nuclear power with thousands of warheads? How do you imagine that a nuclear failed state looks and acts like?

I swear, reading comments like these on social media makes me realize that a disturbingly large number of people are irrational about war.

Yes. Hopefully their nuclear warheads will be in a similar shape as Chinese tires on military vehicles.

I remember how Russia looked like 2 decades ago when it was piss poor. It was relatively peaceful and handful of its neighbors made it into NATO without any issues.

Wonder how that NATO expansion would have looked like if Russia was in a good shape? My bet is similar to what we see in Ukraine.

My rationale is very simple. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, next is my country and my city. I wish it was stopped in Georgia in 2008. But maybe it’s about time to end appeasement policy that clearly doesn’t work.

My own country still exists because in the past 500 years it never surrendered when a big army showed up making outrageous demands. I see no reason to change that now.

Nuclear weapons are not a problem if we all hold to the MAD doctrine.

We've seen what a nuclear failed state looks like, multiple times, in Russia, already.

Turks in Germany will vote for SPD in German elections is a bigger paradox.

It seems similar to what happens with Salvadorans in the U.S., especially newer arrivals.

This is anecdotal, buy from my friends living in the U.S, even those who do not have papers, prefer Trump/Republican than Democrat party.

It's because Democrats are losing working class votes because of pandering to their leftist fringe in an unrelatable ivory tower bubble.

Less culture war, twitter wokism, identity partitions.

it's a common thing across Europe that people of Muslim descent/culture vote for socialism very heavily, I believe it's because of a strong common ground between their culture and the view of the State in socialism (this happens with Jewish people too, and to a lesser extent rural Catholics)

Maybe this is very American of me to say-- but what about them? They have freedom of speech even if it's not something I agree with. We don't throw everyone who calls themselves nazis into jail.. why try to punish everyone who might agree with Putin? Are we in the business of policing political attitudes now?

Well nobody is throwing Russians into jail either (except maybe for Putin). But I would argue that refusing to do business with Putin supporters is also part of personal freedom.

Sure they can have their opinions. But they should stay in their home countries if they want to support those authoritarian politics.

Those people who agree with Putin may eventually start interfering with our politics. Either by enabling pro-Putin politics or pushing Putin-shaped local flavor. Why let in people who may turn society to worse?

Reply on news.ycombinator.com