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That is Russian propaganda and simply not true. There is no genocide against Russians in Ukraine.

Thre is no systematic murder in Ukraine. But this is how the UN defines genocide:

  > a. Killing members of the group;
  > b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  > c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  > d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  > e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

There are credible reports of b. and c. in Eastern Ukraine against Russians. Therefore, by UN definition, genocide. You and I might not like that definition, but Putin has a leg to stand on.

This is a pure war of agression, it is an invasion. There is no justification at all for this.

It is a crime against humanity to cut water supplies into populated areas. What would your state do if water was being diverted away from Los Angeles by Canada?

That's what the Western propaganda machine pushes (I'm Western too, certainly not pro-Russian) but do you really think that there is no rational Russian justification from the Russian perspective?

Justification for what? If Russia wanted to support russian ethnic people in Ukraine it would not invade Ukraine, but offer non-destructive help to those people.

Where are those credible reports?

Cutting off water supplies to entire human populations is a crime against humanity and genocide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/world/europe/ukraine-russ...

So Russia invaded Crimea and Ukraine decided to cut water supplies off?

Ah, the old 'shifting the start of the conflict date' trick. Keep going, you can go all the way back to the maidan coup overthrowing a democratically elected leader...

Completely buried in anti-Russian and pro-Ukrainian propaganda.

I'm not pro-Putin or pro-Russia, but I'm looking at things objectively. If I had a browser history I could pull them from there but now the search engines are inundated with propaganda and I cannot find them. It is too late to get objective facts right now, unfortunately.

It is scary how facts become "facts" and now for you it is heresay from some random HN poster (me). Disinformation campaigns are effective.

The dog ate my homework?

Yes, it appears so )). Sorry.

Again, I'm not pro-Russia but just look at this thread to see that the pro-Ukraine crowd silence anything not 100% in their favour. We see the same thing in anti-Israel discourse online as well, where both sides vehemently do their best to silence any voice not on "their side", no matter how factual.

For future reference, the starving of Crimea of its water resources is considered genocidal behaviour.

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