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Stellantis is worse. The all-electric Jeep Wrangler is supposed to come out in 2024 priced around $70,000. You have to get the "Rubicon" "trim level", which used to mean differential lockers and a lower low gear, but now includes such things as "biometric owner identification".

This kind of thinking is going to result in Chinese electric car manufacturers taking over the industry.

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People will shell out insane amounts of money because of the Jeep brand. Clapped out, 10-year-old ones still can get $20k, even if you tried to take it remotely "off-road" it would break in 10 different ways.

If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda.

and meanwhile, they get bested by old Toyota trucks off road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes

Always hilarious when people build $100K+ off-road ridiculous trucks, as unless you're totally loaded and don't care about smashing it up, it's going to get babied off-road or just never see more than a regular camping trip or some gravel. Actual hard-core off-roaders aren't driving super-expensive rigs; they're in crapcan K5 Blazers, Suzuki Samurais, old but built jeeps, tube frame customs, and side-by-sides. $40k in a SxS will get you about what a jeep would for 2x that money.

Don't even get me started on the bro dozer poser trucks. Those just exist to intimidate other people on the road, and with bumpers so high and tires + ground clearance that could easily run over something like a Corvette, they shouldn't be allowed on public roads. If only we had real vehicle inspection like some in the EU do.

> If people made purely rational decisions when purchasing a car, the only manufactures left would be Toyota and Honda.

Not sure if this is different regions or just dated. In Australia now, Honda is a joke. They are overpriced, offer terrible support, etc. Toyota is quality beige, overpriced but reliable, kind of like Sony TVs 15 years ago before Samsung and LG became dominate.

Just like with TVs, the Korean companies (Hyundai & Kia) are the smart money brands at least in the Australian Market.

Kia/Hyundai (they're basically the same company since they own each other) have had a horrible track record in the last few years. They cannot build an engine to save their lives. They scrimped on the quality of the piston rings and other internal components and they ware out very quickly.

A Kia with 150k miles is end of life, but a Honda/Toyota with that mileage is basically still being broken in, yet the Honda only has a $2k premium over the Kia.

Don't they use Mitsubishi engines across the board?

They manufacture their own. The design comes from a subsidiary.

a slightly off topic question from a novice with some messy off roading experience... is there a decent, efficient, smaller off road capable car? my current level of experience is driving through deepish (several inches) snow in chains and rocky road terrain in the eastern sierras .... in a subaru impreza... and honestly I really feel like I want to do this more!

I've come the the conclusion that the only electric vehicle I'm likely to own is a custom conversion. I don't drive often, but when I do it's often a rental or car share. I've come to despise anti-privacy features that have become either standard or required on modern vehicles, from built-in connectivity to tpms, cars are getting to be worse than smartphones.

I'd absolutely kill for something like the K5 Blazer-E, but without the connectivity likely built into eCrate.

Same. I don't need a massive sedan or crossover, or massive range...I commute <10 miles per day, and have 7 family members within 15 miles. Most of my trips are just me, or just me and my son...why is the only electric coupe the Smart Car?

What I really want is an EV-swapped Mazda MX5...

Tesla Miata is something I want to try after I stop moving and buy a house

Car manufacturers have always done this. Sometimes to a laughable extent – only the top of the line Toyota 4Runner has automatic lights, for example.

I’d love for them to not, but I don’t think it’s going to change. Tesla, their primary EV competition, charges for software-only features.

Your credibility is damaged by the fact that Stellantis has not announced any all-electric Jeep Wrangler, certainly not pricing or trim levels, and doesn't offer biometric owner identification on any current or future models either.

You seem to be getting upset about a situation that exists only in your (or someone else's) imagination.

The Jeep Wrangler EV, while staying true to its traditional SUV characteristics, wouldn’t disappoint the modern customers who also take into consideration convenience and tech features. The off-road-focused electric SUV will boast several new-age features teased by Stellantis like Peer-to-Peer Charging, Remote Vehicle Tracking, Biometric Recognition, Jeep Drone Pairing, Jeep Trails, Group Ride, OTA Updates, and AR HUD.

No need for the snark. It is not official, and may not end up being accurate, but is what has been reported.

https://electricvehicleweb.com/jeep-wrangler-electric-new-de...

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/jeep/jeep-wrangler-electric-...

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