Sad thing is that now with conscription, if you are male 18-55, Ukraine side will force you to fight that war, at least as far as I understand it.
What a fucked up world we live in…
What a fucked up world we live in…
> What a fucked up world we live in…
It's fucked up that it was attacked, it's not fucked up that there are social expectations for its citizens to rise to its defence in its time of need.
Between me and my families I think we own one house that's not worth anything because of it's location and my apartment which I'm still paying off.
So if my country got attacked I would grab my family and leave without a second thought - let the people who divided the profits and live off the benefits defend it - I would be just as well in any other country.
Now if it came to world war and it was Russia and China taking over the west I would feel differently about it - but in that case it's a nuclear armageddon so I could probably do shit.
What's the alternative? Not fight and become occupied and likely oppressed - is that a better choice? Or flee and become a war refugee? The average citizen doesn't have highly sought-after skills in other countries, they are likely to go to a refugee camp for months and years. So, some people choose to fight for their families, friends, and preserving their way of life. I think defending the in-group from an aggressive out-group is a perfectly reasonable, ingrained human response.
Sounds better than running.
I don't think many people outside Russia disagree with that (including the GP).
> it's not fucked up that there are social expectations for its citizens to rise to its defence in its time of need.
This ia a misrepresentation. It's not a social expectation, it's part of the current martial law decrees. As far as I'm aware (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is no general draft, yet. It's also not a pro-russian statement to say that limiting the travel ban to men only is inhumane - it tears families apart that may never re-unite again, leaving both halves weak to all kinds of dangers. It's also not clear what is being gained in exchange for this. There are many women part of the voluntary defense forces, just as there are many men who cannot reasonably participate in the fight.
When your country is attacked families are seperated, people die, and fucked up things happen. But if you don't defend your country you are guaranteed to lose and be overrun and be ruled by a maniac dictator. So there's your choice.
I find your position ridiculous and clearly from someone who's never experienced war or even heard about it from parents and grandparents. I have. You can forget about your equality crap and avoiding "inhumanity" and being concerned about the mental health of families.
That doesn't matter when a russian tank rolls down your street. What matters is your survival and your country's survival.
> If you’re some hypothetical cosmopolitan man who’s lived in 10 cities and has no emotional connection to anywhere, maybe. Most people don’t want to see their local area taken over by some Russian maniac.
Also, on the other end, if you're enmeshed in a culture that's rife with corruption and nepotism.
Loyalty to only a very narrow band of close relatives is usually not a recipe for a successful society.
> "Here's what's happening in Kramatorsk [a city in Donetsk]:
It's quiet for now, but we're expecting an escalation in the evening.
I was at the military registration and enlistment office. Just so you understand, our city is pro-Russian. Was. Seems that's now in the past. There's a huge line at the office, of both the young and old.
I don't know what they thought to themselves in Russia, but they've lost our country once and for all.
Such are the preliminary results of operation "Like it or not, endure, my dearest". [Putin's words to Zelensky Feb 7 in response to the latter stating he liked none of the points of the Minsk Accords]"
Source: https://www.facebook.com/e.menendes/posts/7085200851522280
That's a baseless and uncharitable take. But even if you disagree strongly that women can participate meaningfully in modern combat (pre-invasion Ukraine seemed to think there was nothing wrong with having women be part of the voluntary defense force), it is monstrous of you to assert that opposing how families get torn apart by this decree is somehow tantamount to "equality crap". If there was a male-only general draft in effect you could at least argue that the men need to stay behind for mandatory service. But as of now, they're needlessly sending women and children away as refugees while the men stay behind to do whatever. I want to see you construct an argument that clarifies how this leads to better outcomes for these families.
Sometimes social expectations are enforced.
Also, they're being invaded. It would be foolish to insist on waiting for a formal legislative process.
We cannot defend Ukraine against the most unjustifiable war ever, and they can’t defend themselves.
Nothing stopped it from moving in four months ago. Putin wasn't going to start a suicidal nuclear war over it.
MAD only works to deter against existential threats. Not being able to invade a neighbour is not an existential threat. Being invaded can be one, though.
Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons for security assurances. The lesson is that if you have nuclear weapons, you do not get attacked - North Korea. You also get to attack other countries. Russia, USA.