What is complex about poverty? They just need money. Just give them money and there is no more poverty. What is holding us back from doing this? Is it fear that people will become lazy and just "take" from others and contribute nothing?
Most of you have not idea what it is like living in Poverty. Real poverty. The depression and lack of motivation comes from people not caring about you. You have no idea the energy you get when you feel like a society cares about you.
I guess even the most complex, difficult things can be accomplished, if only we just do them. Becoming a millionaire is simple, just have someone give you a million dollars. Being a CEO is quite simple, just get hired as one and make smart decisions that are good for the company.
I mean there’s a lot more involved, not just in robbing the non-poor to give freebies to the poor, but also all of the societal and economical and all sorts of other consequences they could have that, non-real-world studies that prove nothing aside (countless times we are told something will be so, but then it’s not - we do, however, have centuries of failed socialist and communist history giving us red flags), are quite likely to happen.
I challenge you to come up with a reason not to do this that is not psychopathic.
[1] https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...
[2] https://www.defense.gov/Spotlights/FY2021-Defense-Budget/
The systematic mind looks for the systematic approach. It doesn't help to fault them (policy-makers and their constituents) for it, at least if you're trying to bring them to Jesus. They're going to pull on the levers they can reach, eh?
Saying that the causes of poverty are systemic (i.e., it's not so much that some people have character or habits or whatever that make them poor, as that our society is structured in a way that ensures that a lot of people will be poor) has nothing to do with saying that it should be attacked in a systematic way (i.e., that we should apply some consistent procedure to deal with poverty when we find it).
> Thinking you can even have a "systematic approach" to either explaining or mitigating something as complex as poverty, deprivation and marginalization can only be described as the highest sort of arrogance.
makes sense; I can understand how someone might think that looking for a systematic approach to something very complex is arrogant, but not how they would think the same about a systemic approach.
I'll gladly take your word for it that you did mean "systemic" but I confess that I'm then not sure what a "systemic mind" would be that "takes a [systemic] approach".
(My guess, for what it's worth, had been that fineIllregister probably meant "systemic" even though they wrote "systematic", that zozbot234 followed fineIllregister in writing "systematic" but also meant "systematic", and that since you were responding to zozbot234 you probably meant "systematic" too.)
There's no reason to think that these institutional factors don't affect social and economic outcomes; indeed, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary! (And it would be just as arrogant to think that the institutional arrangements prevailing in a random Western country as of 02022 are already "optimized" in any sense. So yes, there is room for some meaningful improvement.)