This doesn't even resemble a spontaneous protest, it's organized and funded as part of the global push to fascism. The anti-vax component is a thin pretext.
[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...
The global push to communism is far, far stronger than any step to fascism.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/980814/heavily-armed-leftist-gu...
What deeply amueses me is Trudeau's quote:
"When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern"
https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/205322201187106816
Protest is terrific only when it doesn't happen in my backyard.
I suspect that's how it goes for most instances of protest or civil unrest - the apolitical people in the area hate it, because they're the ones you're inconveniencing to make a point, while distant folks' feelings are determined by whether the protesters are on their side.
Frustrated residents near Seattle's 'CHOP' zone want their neighborhood back:
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/frustrated-resident...
Capitol Hill residents and businesses sue city of Seattle for failing to disband CHOP:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/capitol-hill-resid...
Two teenagers shot in Seattle's Chop autonomous zone:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53224445
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-...
> It was cool to see FoxNews have some of our buildings burning down even if it wasn't true, their media narrative was pretty messed up
What do you mean "it wasn't true" ? It was certainly true. People were formally charged for carrying out the act.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/spd-rioters-tried-trap-offi...
"According to the criminal complaint, DAVID-PITTS had arrived in Seattle from Alaska just three days before Monday’s protest. After marching with the group in downtown Seattle, DAVID-PITTS is seen on surveillance video piling up trash against the sally-port door at the Seattle Police East Precinct. Over an eleven minute period the surveillance video captures DAVID-PITTS not only piling up the trash, but repeatedly lighting it on fire and feeding the flames with more trash. While DAVID-PITTS was lighting the fire, other people who appeared on the surveillance were attempting to use crowbars and cement-like materials to try to disable the door next to the sally-port to prevent officers from exiting the building" https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/alaska-man-charged-fede...
Most of the people who were in my scout troop participated at one point or another, the Capitol Hill Business Alliance was broadly supportive, albiet they were focused on business centric issues. Many of the businesses in the area operated like normal as well.
Eventually though the park was looking like a Nicklesville (old Seattlites know the etymology of this), and the crowd that had driven back the cops, painted the street with a mural, and acted in solidarity with their neighbors had dwindled, leaving just those that saw free food, free camping and few people left encouraging sociable behavior.
The BLM marches closed freeways once in a while but it’s hard to make I5 noticeably worse. I’ve sat in longer backups more frequently in Seattle due to drunk drivers in Tacoma, for example.
It really wasn’t a big enough deal for there to be a majority opinion either way, I’d imagine. I’d completely forgotten about it until I read your post.
From my understanding, this is only the case for truckers crossing the border. Most of the vaccination mandates I have heard of have been at the provincial or municipal levels and only affect employees of the government or publicly controlled institutions (health, education, police). Even then, it is typically on unpaid leave. Relatively few mandates have come from Ottawa, simply because it isn't their jurisdiction. They aren't leaving much room for human rights complaints, particularly since I believe employers were already within their rights to demand certain vaccinations. I very much doubt that it would even qualify as discriminatory, since it does not affect protected classes.
As for the second part, the US has been asking for a whole host of vaccinations in order to get a visa for multiple decades, same for the Canadian one, so I don't see how it's "an even more egregious trespass of an individuals liberty than their usual practice".
Why do you do it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio...
(Further, both trademarks. Or at least were.)
I am curious though, are goods not being rerouted?
Many of the large auto manufacturers shutdown production lines in response to the bridge closure. Delayed revenue is lost revenue.
I have not dismissed the issue. Do you have a source to back up your claim? Also, can you quote where I say this protest is not an issue or not worthy of being addressed?
Again, this was mostly about bias in reporting.
"Delayed revenue is lost revenue."
Here's a fallacy - false equivalent. Delaying revenue does not mean that revenue is lost. Demand and orders do not cease to exist simply because production temporarily halts.
The fallacy is claiming that one is not as bad because the other exists. You seem to be defending your comments from absolute privation. I refer to the first comment I replied to,
>That says a lot if that's what a violent protest looks like in Canada when the "peaceful" ones in the US involve millions of dollars in property damage and numerous injuries or deaths.
Isn't pedantry fun?
You misinterpreted my comment and attacked it as being a fallacy. I explained myself and you attacked further, in the process stating a fallacy of your own. Now you are calling this pedantry. Yet you have not responded to the majority of my comments.
Why would I not correct you when you are saying that I'm saying things I'm not?
$550 million in Minneapolis–Saint Paul (May 26–June 6, 2020)[5]
$1–2 billion in insured damages in the United States (May 26–June 8, 2020)[6]
https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4...
https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-foundation-raising-2...Haven’t seen anything like that in this protest, but honestly I haven’t been looking too close.
He had no previous convictions of arson.
Martin Luther Kings March on Selma can be compared (very favorably) to the Night of Broken Glass.
The BLM protests involved a much larger number of people, and last much longer (so far).
It makes it easier to cherry lick bad examples.
It’s fair to say what we’re seeing in Canada is like the worst of the BLM condensed into a few weeks.
But I stayed away from the BLM protests, so I only saw them when they came to me.
Like so:
Edit: to be clear I was present when this happened
But the comparison does inform us on how biased and hypocratical the media and the ruling class are.
That BLM, the Night of Broken Glass, and Selma do not make the lives of those affected by the “truckers” any better.
Those events create neither a defense nor condemnation of the “truckers.”
This is true, certainly.
But it does allow third parties (most people on this forum) to create a figure out how bad the situation is.
Likewise, it allows Canadians to assess the actions of their leaders decided if they are appropriate.
If BLM protests were encouraged or tolerated by authorities, yet the trucker protestors are harshly target it raises the question “why?”
It’s possible the response to BLM was wrong. It’s possible that America and Canada have different concepts of political liberty.
But it’s also possible offialdom is playing favorites.
These are legitimate questions, and Canadian voters should seek answers for them.
This is not true in any of the relevant cities; it is an extremely vocal, and very small, minority of people who are in support, and I can guarantee you that most of the few people who do support it would change their minds if it was their neighbourhood people were honking in all night.
Note that over 90% of Canadian truckers are already vaccinated, and similar percentages of the large urban centres being harassed are vaccinated as well. Most people are entirely against these "protests", and will be happier when they're over.
> Furthermore, it can be effectively argued that forcing workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs is inherently discriminatory
It cannot be effectively argued, because it is not discriminatory; "people who refuse to believe in medical science" is not a protected class. If you need to get a background check to get a job, that is not discriminatory. If you need to have a license to do a job, that is not discriminatory. If you need to be vaccinated to do your job (not just COVID, but otherwise), that is not discriminatory.
> and perhaps even anti-freedom.
Freedom has limits. You don't have the freedom to endanger others.
Freedom does not mean "I get to eat my cake and have it too"; it means you're able to make a choice. Do you want to get vaccinated and do your job, or do you want to refuse to get vaccinated and leave that job so that you aren't endangering others?
What these people are protesting is that they made their choice and have to deal with the consequences of that choice. If you don't want to get a driver's license, you can't protest that you should still be allowed to drive a car; if you don't want to get a passport, you can't protest that you should still be allowed to travel internationally. The rules and restrictions are clear and up-front.
Also: I have friends in Ottawa, and am hearing multiple reports of people being harassed or threatened by these "protesters" (many of whom are acting more like terrorists, trying to intimidate everyone around them) for something as simple as wearing a mask.
Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests.
On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (unless they fear snowballs!).
Except for the existence of snow, it sounds like things I’ve seen around fighters in the Palestinian intifada. I think you have an unrealistic view of what an insurrection looks like.
Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.
I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that these handouts may have biased the media to the point where they may be reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.
[0] https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/justin-trudeau-60...
Source? The US polls I've seen show 60% support for vaccine mandates, which is probably why the government feels so confident in shutting down the protests. The media I've seen isn't portraying the protestors as violent but as a nuisance.
what are you possibly basing this on?
>> But these are only my personal observations and conclusions
Oh, opinion. So you complain that the media coverage is "vastly negative" because... you feel it is.