Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions were hard with a mask? Imagine not being able to use your hearing at all.

(yes, 60 dB is necessary because that's how much you'll need in order to sleep - the human ear has an incredibly large dynamic range and even 30 dB_SPL conversations are enough to keep some people awake for hours)

As it stands, many of the residents near these protests are being subjected to low-level sleep deprivation, which is literally torture (as in, used as such by organizations who actually want to extract information or confessions from people).

To clarify - it's not honking that's torture, it's sustained honking at a duration and intensity that will cause sleep deprivation and other psychological damage.

Completely independently of the reason that these people are protesting - this particular means is not humane.

Earplugs will dull the noise, but if I can't take a nap over two guys having a conversation at that distance, I really doubt most folks' ability to get a good night's sleep over truck horns. The earplugs will probably mitigate the physical damage done by the noise, but I highly doubt they do much for the psychological stress. People lose their ability to focus and sometimes their sanity due to injuries that cause a constant ringing in their ears. Even if you can reduce the volume, the constant noise is a type of torture.

Edit: Found the Noise Reduction Rating for a number of different types of hearing pro that I've used in the past. The best one was rated at 33, meaning it roughly reduces the noise by something like 33 decibels. That pair, of course, being the ubiquitous neon yellow 3M product with flames on the sides for enhanced performance. I don't wear them myself because while they're fashionable, they're incredibly uncomfortable for me. This also appears to be among the best non-powered hearing pro that's available on the market. They will take an uncomfortably loud worksite at 105 dB down to effectively under 80 dB and more-or-less within a safe range for hearing. Not a pleasant level for sleeping though, by any means, although I can pull it off myself if I'm tired enough. When you start talking about a truck horn which those earplugs might or might not be able to quiet down close to the level of that 105 dB you'd experience with no hearing pro on a worksite, you're past potential hearing damage and well into a range where there is no reasonable escape from the barrage of sound.

Edit 2: Most of these earplugs in the 25-33 NRR range are definitely available at the hardware store if anyone needs to know that. They're more expensive per pair and seem to come in higher count containers, but they're there and much cheaper than the doctor's visits and hearing aids will be in the future. If you find yourself in a situation where the background noise is uncomfortable at all, please, please, get yourself some if at all feasible. Half the old dudes I've worked with in my life did not think it was worth the hassle and I'm tired of having to scream in people's ears to communicate. Also all the near misses because you have to either throw something at them or close the distance if you see a dangerous situation they don't and need to warn them.

Unlike people with fixed addresses, they can just up and move to a quiet part of the city to sleep, and then drive back after.

I must have missed where large trucks sit for days on end, engine running, horns blaring endlessly as part of their "useful public utility".

> The story also does not disclose that the interviewee is an Ontario public employee, essentially a spokesperson for the government position, which is in opposition to the protestors.

This is blatant bias on your part. Doctors employed by the state to provide healthcare are not government spokespeople, however you're trying to spin it here.

Eventually even the local news started showing what was going on when their crew were attacked covering the story. However this happened many times before and they simply left and didn't cover what was happening.

https://katu.com/news/local/police-declare-riot-near-justice...

Whilst also advising Proud Boys and Three Per Centers of their "enforcement plans", texting them to "take cover" and that they'd be given an "all clear" when they come back out.

Or being advised that although their leaders had active arrest warrants, that they would not be arrested at any protests that were "supervised" by Portland Police Department, so they should "feel free" to come to protests.

January 6th police had real bullets and shot and killed a person. You could argue Jan 6th was handled more strictly than BLM.

Comparing 100+ nights of protests and riots with Jan 6th is ridiculous...one was night after night of the same thing and having a plan in place to defend and the other is a single day where the police lost control and they actually shot someone with real bullets.

> > A city is being held hostage by an extreme minority

> These people are not the minority.

> A city is being held hostage by an extreme minority

The use of the emergencies act makes it clear that this is one of those situations and allows the government to utilize the military to support lower levels of law enforcement.

This is not martial law. This is not a coup. This is not unprecedented - after all Pierre Trudeau used the War Measures Act (predecessor to the Emergencies Act) to restore order in the October Crisis.

This is more like a state calling in the national guard.

The answer to lower levels of government not being able to maintain order isn't to roll over. It's to bring in more help. That's what's being done here. And it's governed by the Charter. Much more stringently than the War Measures Act ever was.

[edit] We cannot allow a small, loud, group of individuals to overturn the democratic will of the people as decided in the last election. This is un-democratic, unfair, and must end immediately. We can talk about ending restrictions in the open, but not with a boot on our throats. This occupation must end before we decide on what to do next. I remind you of the interview Pierre Trudeau gave re: the October Crisis.

  Pierre Trudeau: Yeah, well there's a lot of bleeding hearts around who just don't like to see people with helmets and guns. All I can say is, go on and bleed, but it's more important to keep law and order in this society than to be worried about weak-kneed people who don't like the looks of a soldier's helmet. [1]

They can have their say in peaceful protest, in court or at the next election - and not before.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeTsQQ22Uwc

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHaoBD-eakk

What that likely means is that they don't know who the people in the video are. It seems pretty likely to me that it's related to the occupation, especially since there was a 'confrontation' earlier that day with residents of the building. It's not like buildings are burnt down in Ottawa every day.

I suspect that's how it goes for most instances of protest or civil unrest - the apolitical people in the area hate it, because they're the ones you're inconveniencing to make a point, while distant folks' feelings are determined by whether the protesters are on their side.

Frustrated residents near Seattle's 'CHOP' zone want their neighborhood back:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/frustrated-resident...

Capitol Hill residents and businesses sue city of Seattle for failing to disband CHOP:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/capitol-hill-resid...

Two teenagers shot in Seattle's Chop autonomous zone:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53224445

Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-...

> It was cool to see FoxNews have some of our buildings burning down even if it wasn't true, their media narrative was pretty messed up

What do you mean "it wasn't true" ? It was certainly true. People were formally charged for carrying out the act.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/spd-rioters-tried-trap-offi...

"According to the criminal complaint, DAVID-PITTS had arrived in Seattle from Alaska just three days before Monday’s protest. After marching with the group in downtown Seattle, DAVID-PITTS is seen on surveillance video piling up trash against the sally-port door at the Seattle Police East Precinct. Over an eleven minute period the surveillance video captures DAVID-PITTS not only piling up the trash, but repeatedly lighting it on fire and feeding the flames with more trash. While DAVID-PITTS was lighting the fire, other people who appeared on the surveillance were attempting to use crowbars and cement-like materials to try to disable the door next to the sally-port to prevent officers from exiting the building" https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/alaska-man-charged-fede...

Most of the people who were in my scout troop participated at one point or another, the Capitol Hill Business Alliance was broadly supportive, albiet they were focused on business centric issues. Many of the businesses in the area operated like normal as well.

Eventually though the park was looking like a Nicklesville (old Seattlites know the etymology of this), and the crowd that had driven back the cops, painted the street with a mural, and acted in solidarity with their neighbors had dwindled, leaving just those that saw free food, free camping and few people left encouraging sociable behavior.

(Further, both trademarks. Or at least were.)

I am curious though, are goods not being rerouted?

Our media entertained a serious debate about whether looting or burning a neighborhood to the ground was "violence" or not, and the many preferred to refer to these events as "fiery but mostly peaceful protests". How did we go from that to tenuous analogies of torture?

I don't think it's reasonable to defend yourself from somebody by going up to a passer by and shooting them

> Police have not confirmed any link between their investigation into this incident and the ongoing convoy protest.

Anyway, there's a pretty considerable difference between whatever this was and the images of burned down neighborhoods in the US.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kenosha+aftermath&client=saf...

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Police have not confirmed any link between their investigation into this incident and the ongoing convoy protest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-pleads-guilty-minne...

Look, I get it. They’re icky and Canada has a long history of denying or trying to deny entry to “icky” ppl. Mediterraneans, Asians, Eminem (though I forgot about that one eh?).

Canada has just a long list of things its apologized for. Like barring entry to Mediterraneans, Asians and Eminem.

It's a pretty remarkable situation to have someone who wrote our constitution pointing out that the government is in error.

The original quote was "de facto barred". If something is "inconvenient to the point that it makes the trip infeasible" it's pretty much as good as barring entry.

> And even that inconvenience can be removed with a free, safe shot that takes 30 seconds to get for those that aren't prevented by some other health condition.

I'm vaxxed and boosted, but at this point it doesn't seem like vaccines inhibit transmission and thus it's purely a matter of bodily autonomy. "yield your right to bodily autonomy and you may enter" is some authoritarian nonsense.

Nor did I argue, or am interested in arguing, the merits of banning the unvaccinated. I just stated that they are effectively banned from entry.

It's equivalent to saying that lets bar all male Canadian citizens from entering Canada, since over 90% of rapes are committed by men!

The law also doesn't recognize natural immunity which is not that ineffective, is it?

To travel, and get around my moral qualms, I signed up for a vaccine trial. I was refused or got the placebo.

The comments are.. special. Lots of Christian religious stuff which makes sense given the site's background. As someone who is very much not religious, this makes me just as uncomfortable.

You’re Average Joe or Jane? Of course not, not under any circumstances. Their bedroom is their business only. I can’t stress this enough.

> People have a right to privacy. Stealing private information is the opposite of freedom.

Higher level, to demand anonymity when pushing resourced ($$$) speech in a democracy is attempting to subvert the political system while avoiding recourse for bad faith intent and/or actions (my observations from a systems analyst perspective).

Nuance and absolutism are incompatible.

I mean it's easy enough to see the political aspect here isn't tied to the political leanings of news source:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/freedom-convoy-trucker-canadas...

I got the impression you were browbeating me for not intentionally ignoring very plain context as you did, and you seem to be confirming that.

As are showing off facts that are completely baseless.

For example, sounds like you confused the numbers for vaccination from the CTA about all truckers? Since the certainly no rigorous numbers specific to the protestors...

The CTA is the largest organization of truckers and yet...

“CTA believes such actions — especially those that interfere with public safety — are not how disagreements with government policies should be expressed.”

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Kudos though, you totally pulled a fast one on dang acting like this was "about both sides"

Unfortunately you've slowly started to leak out the vitriol very closely associated with one side of these protests...

There are certain topics and certain people that do not get moderated fairly and HN itself has certain biases that are encouraged or have opposition to them discouraged. If you know what they are, you know what they are.

Bringing up HN's (often subtle but often not-so) bias against average poor people gets heavily moderated here.

I give dang credit versus other moderators elsewhere who are explicitly biased and don't give a fuck how you feel about it.

While I do think a certain one or two users have gotten a pass before, honestly it was a couple of years ago at this point and probably not worth considering today.

I wouldn't say that I have a particular side here, but I do see one unfortunate (to me) point of view dominating all conversations and that's not even something that's localized to HN. People bring their tendencies to bully online and drown out and attack their peers (i mean, just look at this thread) and in professional life this is also very real and the consequences are nasty. You can't moderate everything at the end of the day though, so no fault to you.

What does worry me is that there seems to be a growing sentiment on this board (as in life) that doxxing of ordinary people is okay even though this is a crowd that not only should know better but needs to be held to a higher standard because of our access to and skill with such data. It's simply not challenged enough, but that's also not your job either.

Even if you were to concede that, you'd probably counter that you can't read all the comments. And, of course, that is so. But that is beside the point that I have made many times before: the community's bias allows such users (and those who espouse certain views) to break the guidelines without penalty, while heavily penalizing others and those with contrary views.

Every time I see you tell someone that moderator bias is an illusion, I can't help but think that you are talking past each other, because the elephant in the room (which I have rarely seen you even acknowledge) is the extreme bias in the community's downvoting and flagging behavior, which naturally results in the official moderation actions being biased toward what is flagged, which amounts to a de facto official moderation bias. (If a community only calls the police when certain groups of people break the law, the police's actions will naturally be biased toward enforcing against those groups of people, because they aren't omniscient.)

> conveniently fully masked agitators

I shouldn't even bother responding to this kind of disingenuous bait. Of course it's all a massive psyop false flag conspiracy to smear the good names of working class Canadians in it for the good fight, right.

The truck drivers still have their ability to make ends meet. They can either take in-Canada jobs which will pay a bit less but still provide a living above and beyond the average salary, or they can take a jab and work internationally. When I had to get vaccinated to cross borders, no one went and blockaded anything, because that's a completely reasonable and normal thing to expect. I don't understand why I should care that they have to do the same.

And as we're entering the third year of emergency measures, all provinces are already scaling them back. I agree that some measures were excessive and useless; I also think that earlier on many emergency measures were lifted too early.

I don't have any sympathy for them or their goals of ending all health measures and, for some, deposing the governments. I don't think that asking for vaccinations to engage in cross-border activities is even remotely unreasonable - and I've had to comply by such rules many times. I know because of working with people in the industry for years that there's plenty of work to go around inside this country for them if they really don't want to take the vaccine, albeit with a pay cut that still allows them to provide for their families.

All in all, it's perfectly fine. They aren't victims of any real opression. If they were, I'd support them, I might even put up with some of their methods. As it stands, I don't think they're justified in blocking critical infrastructure or blaring train horns in residential neighborhood.

They haven't taken any rights away they hadn't already. I'm sorry, but I already have to live with the risk of tear gas, agents provocateurs, rubber bullets, broken bones, and getting closed-in by police for hours if I ever want to protest tuition hikes or imperialism. I don't see how their treatment by Trudeau whose being infinitely gentler for much more disruptive behaviour infringes anymore rights that are already being infringed on by police for any other protest.

I have made my line long ago and I'm perfectly honest with myself.

> It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US.

Up until the blockade of the border, it was an internal matter entirely, but you are correct here. If the border situation escalates, then the OAS needs to get involved to mediate a ceasefire and ensure that free and fair elections can take place.

> One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. (...) CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...

This is what their "Memorandum of Understanding" stated one month ago[2] (January 13):

    ARTICLE 1. SCOPE of ACCORD

    Canada Unity (CU) offers this “Memorandum” to the Senate of Canada and the Governor General of Canada, the highest authorities representing the Federal Government (SCGGC) as “The Government of Canada”. Acceptance by endorsement of this “Memorandum” and its valuable considerations, will solidify our mutual accord as further detailed in the understanding.

    ARTICLE 2. OBLIGATION and COOPERATION

    The appointed “Entities” agree to work together in the true spirit of partnership to ensure there is a united, visible, and responsive leadership of the “Initiative” and to demonstrate fair practice according to the Canadian Constitution, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and Privacy Act and as further described in Article 3.d. of this “Memorandum” administrative and managerial commitment to the

    ARTICLE 3. MANDATE

    a. CU & SCGGC agree to form a committee, called the Citizens of Canada Committee (CCC).

    b. SCGGC undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives.

    c. CU undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives.

    d. CU & SCGGC adopts and adheres to The Government of Canada’s agreements on transparency in matters related to the Canadian Federal Referendum Act, Canadian Constitution, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act, Canadian Human Rights Act, Canadian Bill of Rights, National Security Act 2017, Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act, Tri Council Policy Statement, National and International Human Rights Declarations and such Regulations et al, the Nuremberg Code, the Declaration of Helsinki all as provided by law, and not only limited to latest additions, addendums and revisions; and to be precise including laws, regulations and declarations prior to SARS-CoV-2, and any subsequent variations of SARS-CoV-2.

    e. SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021 instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to immediately cease and desist all unconstitutional human rights, discriminatory and segregated actions, and not limited to, immediately instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial and Municipal governments to not only stop, but furthermore waive all SARS-CoV-2 (and not limited to SARS-CoV-2 subsequent variations) fines that have been issued and imposed upon its citizens, institutions, and private enterprises.

    f. SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021, instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and

    g. SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021, issue a cease-and-desist order abolishing all Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal Vaccine Passport requirements, Vaccine discriminatory regulations, initiatives, and mandates in regard to SARS-CoV-2 (and not limited to SARS-CoV-2 subsequent variations).

    h. Further, SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021, issue a cease-and-desist order to the respected Honorable Members of the Government of Canada with the consequent instructions to further instruct the Premiers of the Provinces and Territories, the

    i. Canada is a lawful member of the Helsinki Declaration to name one but not limited to additional Canadian and International Human Rights Laws and Regulations et al and therefore enacts its duty and responsibility to make any and all laws and regulations available to its citizens; further, to enforce and uphold such laws, regulations, and declaration(s) on behalf of its Citizens of Canada.

    j. By signing this “Memorandum”, CU will immediately stop “Operation Bear Hug Ottawa”, demonstration / convoy and Federal Referendum activities and will strive to work with all groups and entities et al to bring this country together in unity.

    k. CU & SCGGC agree to have the CCC committee formed within 10 days of acceptance and signing of this “Memorandum”.

    l. CU & SCGGC agree to have a final “signed” and publicly released agreement in place within “no later than 90 days” of acceptance and signing of this “Memorandum”.

    m. CU & SCGGC agree to only release jointly approved media / press statements on a daily basis during the time schedule specified in ARTICLE 3. MANDATE section paragraph k. and l.

    n. SCGGC will immediately make available all schedules as described in ARTICLE 3. MANDATE section paragraph d. available to the CCC committee.

Effectively they want to appoint a governing body to this committee and usurp the governance of the duly elected MPs of the government, effectively dissolving it, and then end all federal and provincially-imposed imposed mandates. The problem is, the Federal government cannot force provinces to end mandates.

They have since withdrawn this memorandum specifically because they found out their movement was not as popular as they believed.[3]

It is currently very unpopular.[4]

[1]: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo...

[2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220113155334/https://canada-un...

[3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220213145435/https://canada-un...

[4]: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...

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Me and my brother watched the Super Bowl last night, me rooting for he Rams and him for the Bengals. We saw the same play happen live, resulting in the Bengals getting a penalty for holding and the Rams being awarded free yards.

He saw it as "fucked up" and I saw it as "just".

When the Rams were called for a penalty, the roles were reversed and I felt like the refs were in the pocket of the Bengals for calling such a stupid penalty.

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All that to say: when _my_ team does stuff, it's okay. When _their_ team does stuff, it's bad. This is the same line of reasoning that is being played out with the above hypocrisy.

This happens all over the political spectrum. It happens in technology discussions. It happens in, as another post said, sports commentary.

Without values it's just loads of angry spittle.

It's effectively one of those "reals before feels" situations for those of us who prefer to view politics through a lens of actual data rather than baseless emotion.

Nobody batted an eye when Daniel Shaver's murderer was cleared. The protests should have been explicitly anti-police-brutality, not race-baiting nonsense.

Some subset of Canadian media is required to publish some % of Canadian-produced content, but that does not make it funded by the government.

I don't know where this misinformation comes from, but I have some suspicions.