I'm curious how you would describe the amount of people who have died of COVID itself if that's how you describe this (unspecific and unsourced) vaccine death rate.
More people died in hospitals after hospitals were invented. Doesn't mean that hospitals were killing people.
We're 2 years into a pandemic, it's obvious we're going to be learning more about long term effects; because it's not like we could know long term effects before people had been infected a long time ago.
"I'm probably going to get downvoted which proves my points" is.. not a good argument, you'll be downvoted for not applying even a modicum of critical thinking to your statements, it just comes across as anti-science.
It proves precisely none of your points. Data please.
There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW!
Personal and eyewitness testimonies count for nothing now? You're going to pretend that data is not manipulated? If you knew any history, you would know how common it is that data is manipulated.
Tell me, do you not see ANYTHING suspicious about what has been going on for the past 3 or even 6 years?
Can't see your original comment, but assuming this refers to side effects with sub-percent occurrences, then the answer is "no, random testimonies have no statistical significance without a base rate to compare to".
You could put hundreds of people into the same room whose testimonies show that eating bread is deadly - you just have to find enough celiacs. That doesn't make the baking industry a big conspiracy.
I’d say the same to you, if you didn’t see reports of heart problems before the vaccine were you living under a rock? Either you weren’t reading much or your filter bubble was removing that news, perhaps because the media you were reading was trying to minimise its impact at the time. It was very widely covered where I am. There was even a widely watched documentary in the UK of a well known science/health presenter who had heart problems after a Covid infection in early 2020. You can probably look it, it was called “Surviving the Virus: My Brother & Me“
> There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW!
I would just like to see data that supports what you propose in your original remarks. It doesn't have to be an encyclopedia of references. It's okay if there isn't data - I'll just assume you're sharing your opinion (which is totally cool as well of course).
Perhaps you should go back and read more of the reports at the time
You might also want to read the reports on vaccine effectiveness and side effects
People were dying all the time, but suddenly when the vaccines came, we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields. What a coincidence right?
Well to be fair, we did see people shaking on the ground and convulsing in China and other places in the very early days of the pandemic. I'm sure that wasn't just bullshit right? It just stopped happening because... reasons...
You're saying that as if we didn't see that before. We have.
Hell, there's even a Wikipedia list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...
The only thing that changed recently is that the list now includes players that played in like the 3rd league in Indonesia, and neither the player nor the club they're playing for are relevant enough to have a Wikipedia page.
Malone isn't worse than the standard CNN toyboy and the Atlantic isn't too reliable either. At least the online version.
Anyone who has followed politics since 2016 and has half a brain would not trust anything these people say.
Also, Dr. Robert Malone is just one of many who were censored.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon...
Have you got any news links which you could add to your comment which support the claim that healthy football players and young children have been dropping dead after taking the vaccine?
I know vaccinated people as well, and non-vaccinated people, both who have had covid, and all are doing fine.
These are not convincing arguments, though I don't doubt you believe them sincerely.
One of the most troubling things about our society right now is that there's a lot of easily refutable lies spread via social media; but people are unable or unwilling to question them.
The energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude more than to spread it.
If we can't trust empirical data and instead rely on gut feelings and rumour, we're all fucked.
This is your problem right here.
1) Was it real or not? Was it a video of someone getting a hernia in 2005? How did you verify it was real?
2) If it was real, what's the sample size? I'm assuming every occurence that's filmed in the world would show up. Can you make a video of half of them? A quarter? 4.23B people are vaccinated, did you see 50 videos? That's statistically insignificant. ~1000 people died from lightning strikes in the last year. Those aren't vaccine related either.
You distrust mainstream media, but you trust videos on social media? That's a terrible recipe for information consumption.