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> ...not to mention their great record on LGBT rights in the past, I literally find it impossible to believe this.

It is a mistake to view all social issues as a monolith. In the US, the Women's Suffrage movement rather famously had a single-minded focus on getting white women the vote. Personally, I've met quite a few openly and unapologetically homophobic black people, as well as openly "I'm-not-racist-but"-anti-black gay people. That a company would try (and even succeed) along one axis and completely fail at another one isn't a surprise.

Concluding that this is a hit job assumes that Tesla is perfectly progressive (Musk is pretty vocally anti-progressive) both in its goals (company-level policies) and its actions (hierarchical manager-level fiefdoms). It sure sounds like individuals with enough evidence to make a case have a financial incentive to bring that evidence to the courts, though. I don't see that as a bad thing.

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In Britain, too, suffragettes only wanted upper class ladies to have the vote. Both male and female domestic servants, who made up the majority of the working class at that time, where intentionally excluded.

But "Votes for some women!" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

This is debatable...

IIRC, some far-left African American groups were working with the KKK to promote the "Back to Africa" movement through the civil rights era. I forget if it was the Black Panthers or Black Hebrew Israelites / Black Zionists or something along those lines... but there's a significant amount of uncomfortable overlap there.

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There's also the famous pact between Hitler (far right Fascism) and Stalin (far left Communism).

Some people like to say that the left-right spectrum is a horseshoe. The far-left and the far-right start to get similar ideas and the "spectrum" bends back around like a horseshoe, meeting back in the middle. In many ways, its the moderates who disagree on the most number of subjects.

And while the language of the extremists (either left or right) are different, the extremists are more alike than their philosophies seem to indicate.

Yes, the differences between fascism and communism are mostly ideological and academic. To the people living under them it's the same experience. Sacrificing oneself for the good of the nation/party/body.

People make the mistake of thinking capitalism is incompatible with communism, but that is false. Marx wrote a lot about the role of technology in wealth creation. He thought that it would be technology that would bring abundance and set man free, and the best technologists where the free-market-capitalists.

Marx also said something along the lines that capitalism, unchecked, was bound to become centralised and monopolised, creating the necessary conditions for the revolutionary transfer to totalitarian dictatorship of the proletariat.

> There's also the famous pact between Hitler (far right Fascism) and Stalin (far left Communism).

Lots of people recognize that depsite using “Socialist” in their name and coopting some socialist rhetoric, the Nazis were far right, like the Italian Fascists.

Fewer (but not no) people who aren't non-Leninist Marxists and/or Libertarian Socialists/Anarchists recognize the same thing about Leninism and it's vanguardist descendants (Stalinism, Maoism, etc.), but it's equally true of them.

>There's also the famous pact between Hitler

There's also the famous pact between Hitler and the Bush family.

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