So basically, if your new employer checks your title before you leave Apple, you're fine?
This is a huge dick move by Apple.
So basically, if your new employer checks your title before you leave Apple, you're fine?
This is a huge dick move by Apple.
The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit.
The pettiness of continuing to charge 30% fees in one way or the other when they have been ordered by the courts to open their restrictions.
The constant sabotage of everything related to repairing their products many times making their own stuff shittier.
And now the "Either you are a faceless Apple minion, or your existence is a mere footnote".
It's the Apple we all know and love.
Ignoring the fact you completely missed the point of the DTK, this is factually wrong. The store credit was $500.
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/05/apple-dtk-credit-for-de...
It was "upgraded" to $500 after much uproar.
We heard your feedback regarding the 200 USD appreciation credit mentioned in our last email. Our intention was to recognize the tremendous effort that you have put into creating amazing universal apps. By partnering with us early, you showed your commitment to our platform and a willingness to be trailblazers.
So instead of the 200 USD credit that expires in May, we are giving you a 500 USD Apple credit and extending the time you can use it to get a new M1 Mac through the end of the year.
This is from a year ago, Feb 6th 2021
So we are in agreement it was $500 that Apple ultimately offered? Great. Glad we cleared that up and what I said was correct.
> There's no way the janitors are Apple employees. Standard procedure at big companies is to hire contractors for janitorial and food services.
Maybe so, but retail clerks definitely are Apple employees, so the point stands.
Personally, the word "associate" by itself brings to mind Walmart store workers [1. If I didn't know about this practice of Apple's, and an applicant's job title came back as "associate," I would raise suspicions that they were trying to pass off a stint in Apple retail as something grander.
Correction: ...and an applicant's job title came back as "associate," it would raise suspicions...
> you were a senior
Also, there isn't senior at Apple and their roles are not a public API. They can change. If Apple says my role was "level 5" what does that mean to the new company?
Because people lie, constantly. And while most of time they they might not be, it happens often enough that companies pay people to background check applicants. It's not good, but it's seemingly necessary, or at least desired.
> Also, there isn't senior at Apple and their roles are not a public API. They can change. If Apple says my role was "level 5" what does that mean to the new company?
Dunno, but a hiring manager for a tech firm probably knows better than me or you. Either way, obfuscating your previous role isn't a good thing.
The new company interviewed me. They can decide if I'm qualified or not.
> The new company interviewed me. They can decide if I'm qualified or not.
And they may decide you're not qualified, because they thought you lied when you didn't. Lying is one of those things that's often an instant dealbreaker.
They very likely can do that, but if they think you're lying for some reason, that doesn't matter.
It's totally plausible that some shitty software engineers have trouble getting hired and may settle for other work in the interim. If they're unethical, then they may lie about that. One or two interviews may not detect a lot of issues someone like that may have.
Somehow I had never connected that with the famous tech company with an extreme narcissist at the center. But you're right, that pattern of retaliation against people who dare to leave fits perfectly here.
Most corporations try to do this in the long run; it’s arguably inherent in the concept of incorporation, which is etymologically and legally the creation of a new “person.”
Even if it starts with an iconic founder, in the long run the company itself must become the object of loyalty to survive. Comms, HR, and marketing teams spend tons of effort to create a corporate personality and culture. (Note the root of the word culture.) Apple famously set up their own “university” to develop and instill their culture.
Loyalty to the company, distrust of outsiders, personal adherence in a “mission”: these are not things specific to or invented by Apple. Although the specific vindictive tactic of hiding titles is one that I’ve not heard of before.
You've got me going through the ABCDEF in a new way: http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
Ehh, I think this is a Chesteranlon's Razorfence situation. Never attribute to malice something for which you do not yet understand the purpose.
HR world generally is afraid to denigrate former employees for liability reasons, and many corporate HR departments have a policy of confirming only whether an employee worked for the company, and nothing else.
Choosing a vague term like "associate" (which simply means "employee," as compared to "partner" or some other term that suggests an ownership stake) aligns with that reasoning decently well. While it may not be ideal, and may not support truthful claims of relative seniority, it's a bit of a stretch to say that it was done with any malice.
EDIT: Apparently some people strongly disagree. If you disagree, might I ask what evidence you have of malice?
It’s trivial to verify someone’s position at Apple with a reference check.
Only if they left on good terms.
As an obvious example, if a POC experienced frequent racism at a company they might leave a company without having anyone they would want to use as a reference even though THEY weren't the problem.
Do you mean "Chesterton's Fence"? I get no hits for "Chesteranlon's Razorfence" or "Chesterton's Razorfence."
That is a pretty remarkable corruption of the term, though. Or are you trying to coin a term?
> HR world generally is afraid to denigrate former employees for liability reasons, and many corporate HR departments have a policy of confirming only whether an employee worked for the company, and nothing else.
> Choosing a vague term like "associate" (which simply means "employee," as compared to "partner" or some other term that suggests an ownership stake) aligns with that reasoning decently well.
Except that's not what "associate" does -- it's a job-title term associated with low rank. It would have been far more obvious to use "employee" if they wanted a vague term that simply meant employee or something like "title not provided" if they wanted to make it clear what they were doing.
It also sounds like they do load the correct title to this database while the employee is still employed at Apple (otherwise, what would they change when they leave), so it doesn't seem like they're mainly concerned about "confirming only whether an employee worked for the company." If they were, why not just give everyone a generic title in the DB from the start?
It's a merging of Chesterton's Fence and Hanlon's Razor
>> Or are you trying to coin a term?
> It's a merging of Chesterton's Fence and Hanlon's Razor
Given that's a neologism that was literally introduced here, it probably should have had bit more of an introduction. Infix compounds are really weird in English.
I was just answering the question you asked because I happened to see the context.