2- Sorry you’re unlucky. But even fully vaccinated people there are going to be cases like this. Such is life.
It's a game of chance.
Digressing, some people suffer much more than others from the vaccines, and ditto from the disease. I've wondered whether they're the same. Is it the same unknown factor at work? Does suffering for days from the vaccines mean that you're someone who'd suffer for months from the disease, or even die?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-i...
Consider two possibilities, both fairly remote and I have absolutely no reason to believe that they're real.
First, suppose that the people who suffer badly from the vaccines/virus do so 100% because of some factor that comes and goes, such as having slept badly. In this case, suffering badly from a vaccine does not mean that you would suffer badly from the disease.
Second, suppose that the people who suffer badly do so 100% because of some genetic factor, such as having a single gene for a particular recessive disease. In this case, if you suffer badly from a vaccine it means that you've saved yourself even worse suffering when the disease finally finds you.
You're lucky if opting out is a practical choice for you. For a lot of people now, opting out means being expelled from your school or fired from your job.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2022/02/03/santa-clara-cou...
The focus should be on whether a given imposition has a net positive for society or not, rather than the imposition itself. I actually find it very indicative that the root comment's conclusion is entirely about the ROI for the individual.
It's fair to judge that not boosting doesn't have any net positive for society, but that discussion should be the focus.
I was quarantining at the time and hadn't gone anywhere except the place where I got the vaccine. It would be ironic if I wound up getting COVID there, which lengthened and intensified my side effects. I hadn't considered that before.
It was about an hour of walking back and forth in the switchbacks. Outdoors in the sun.
Such is the cost of getting it during the early rush. Second shot was much quicker line, and booster I got a bit late so no line to speak of.
Having also had omni (apparently getting covid is my superpower) with symptoms on par with a mediocre sore throat, I have absolutely no desire to repeat the vaccine experience.
Despite the theory making no sense OP assigned the consequences of covid to the vaccination he received not due to a sound theory but due to proximity in time and will now make measurably worse choices for decades for lack of communicating with a medical professional.
We rarely know what we don't know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/nnqm8u/lon...
We are also dealing with a novel (and evolving) virus and an even more novel set of vaccines. We're still learning about both. I find it silly that one could possess hubris about their stance on such a matter.
Covid was still worse in terms of duration. But I won’t be getting a booster more often than maybe 2 years, as this becomes endemic.
Getting one every 6-12 months for an indeterminate number of years needs to be based on more than just a general precautionary instinct.
An interesting reversal of this: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccin...
"Being exposed to chickenpox as an adult (for example, through contact with infected children) boosts your immunity to shingles."
"If you vaccinate children against chickenpox, you lose this natural boosting, so immunity in adults will drop and more shingles cases will occur."
It's seemingly not the primary justification the vaccine isn't offered, but I wonder if, to cut to the core question, those who are pro/anti vaccinating the low-risk to protect the high-risk feel the same way when it's flipped.
A friend of mine, same age, is in a couple where he isn’t vaccinated and she is (Pfizer). Of course he got sick last month and contaminated her because they live together.
He had to take 10 days off and felt like shit the whole time, unable to do anything. She kept working because since sh was vaccinated she had very very mild symptoms that didn’t hinder her.
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, and you don’t even mention what vaccine you got.
What I’m considering doing for the next booster is to check how many antigens I still have before deciding if I take the booster when it’s due or wait a bit longer (barring a virulent mutation that would change the decision making).
In any case, I’ll take 24–36h of flu like symptoms (without having an actual virus damaging my body) any day over 7–10 days of agony like my friend went through.
Antibody levels will always decline over time after infection or vaccination. A third booster might have some long-term benefits for certain patients but beyond that trying to keep those levels elevated with repeated boosters is pointless for most patients.
My understanding is the Moderna booster, being a 1.5x dose, often results in stronger side effects that knock a person out more often.
Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
COVID isn't going away, everyone's going to catch a couple of varients in the next 60 years assuming they live that long.
The current stats suggest that even though the latest variants are way more infectious and can defeat the vaccine, most deaths still occur within the unvaccinated cohort.
I had a mild reaction to vaccination and lost no time to it.
I also recently caught COVID. I had severe fever, headache, muscle ache and chills. I still get much more tired after mild exercise, like a long walk, than I did before.
Vaccination certainly didn’t stop me from catching COVID but it likely did help me avoid a more severe outcome.
I don’t believe in forcing it on others but I would strongly recommend it.
In fact, the data suggests otherwise. They would have most likely had mild symptoms if any at all.
--Rochelle Walensky, Director CDC
I would recommend reflecting on what kind of bias it takes to be so confident without spending even the 30 seconds necessary to find that quote via google.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00214-3
>Blood from individuals who received one or two doses had little ability to neutralize Omicron. But blood from people who had received a booster dose of an mRNA vaccine fought the variant effectively. Their neutralization capacity against Omicron was only four- to sixfold lower than against the original strain.
While younger healthier folks are much less likely to have severe symptoms in the first place there is no reason to believe that what chance they have of experiencing such doesn't decrease further with boosting.
> Finally, the number of hospitalized individuals included was too small to draw definitive conclusions regarding VE[1] and durability of 3 doses in preventing hospitalization.
[1] Vaccine Effectiveness
effectively this isn't a source that supports the claim that young, no-comorbidity individuals are more likely to get severe disease with 2 doses compared to 3
This is from 1-dose - I couldn't find the supplementary data for that study on 2dose/3dose
but needless to say that no this study does not in any shape or form suggest that it's exceedingly likely that a young no-comorbidity person is more likely to get severe disease with 2dose vs 3dose.
edit: found the data for 2/3 dose comparison - which again does not support the claim, because this is not age stratified data - and we know covid had significant age preference
It optimized for maximum vaccine efficacy at around the 5 week timepoint.
Canada took a slightly longer dosing schedule to get more people their first doses faster due to having less available doses. But they didn't go with a 6 month interval either, and there's a difficult calculus there where it isn't at all obvious that one choice is "stupid".
With Delta slamming into India and a lot of doses available in the USA the short schedule got the bulk of the population as immunized as possible.
There's a whole lot of hindsight bias going in trying to claim that was just dumb or unscientific. It probably did save some lives in the summer of 2021 because we did have the doses in this country. Someone who got vaccinated in early April would have only been getting boosted then in early Oct 2021 and that would have been after 75% of the Delta wave had already passed. Second doses clearly needed to be going into arms sooner than 6 months and you can only figure out what timing might have been in optimal in retrospect when you know what the virus was going to do.
It is correct that it didn't allow time for the immune response to mature before the boost and that is the rationale for the third shot. And for anyone getting vaccinated now, particularly young people a 6 month schedule of 2 doses may make more sense (although you always have to look at that 6 month interval and do the calculation on what the risk is of getting COVID during that interval -- at this point though presumably a person who isn't vaccinated isn't very concerned about that and probably has already been exposed at some point).
I mean, it's true anecdotally that the immunization is worse that the disease. It was true for my family at least (four Omicron cases, all extremely mild). But it's not true for everyone, and some of those people are going to die. I regret nothing.
[1] I haven't seen numbers but haven't heard of any
[2] This one is attested.
You're saying you don't think trading vaccine side effects for a 20% lower risk of death is a good trade? I mean, this seems like a no brainer to me. Are you really saying this is a bad choice?
The proper comparison is vaccinated omicron cases + vaccination vs unvaccinated covid.
It's not about your risk, it's about transmission to other people that have a much higher risk profile.
[edit] Thanks for the downvotes, confirms that people care less about others than experiencing any inconvenience themselves.
The current recommendation is to get a booster because it both reduces the severity of the disease and the chance of either catching a breakthrough infection or another variant[1]/[2].
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...
[2] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...
I don’t remember where I read it originally, but the lancet is roughly what I recall. It’s not 100% conclusive, but the data seems to point towards roughly the same transmission rate.
[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1476212140956553...
If that were true we would not be seeing 2,500+ deaths/day in the US which was higher than the initial first wave(2.2k/day) and is approaching the previous peak(~3k/day).
Everyone’s made their bed.
So to ask more of the actually compliant people - most of which wouldn't have ever noticed they had covid even during unvaccinated hardcore delta times - is not really that convincing. Even the fear of “long covid” has dissipated, as it looks like that will never be quantified and both vaccinated and unvaccinated have experience with actual covid by now. Add in a slight and unnecessary myocarditis risk and that introduces just enough unnecessary downside to make another shot from two seasonal covids ago a hard pass.