Yes, "many", not "all". Do you think we're still in "many" territory or are we trending towards "all"?
The requirements changing for a job they may have had for decades is also a legitimate reason to be upset.
Let's not pretend there aren't legitimate concerns here.
> The requirements changing for a job they may have had for decades is also a legitimate reason to be upset.
People are fired all the time because their job requirements changed, or they were made redundant. Where have the mass protests been for that?
> Let's not pretend there aren't legitimate concerns here.
Some concerns are legitimate, other's are not. But occupying the nation's capitol, and assaulting people who wear masks are not a legitimate avenue to express those concerns.
I said trending in that direction, I didn't say we were in or close to that territory. The idea behind protests is not just to move out of some conceptual territory, but also to stop movement into such territory if we're headed in that direction.
> People are fired all the time because their job requirements changed, or they were made redundant. Where have the mass protests been for that?
When has there ever been talk of a society-wide policy which would forcibly unemploy 15% of the population that are otherwise fully qualified to continue to work in their current jobs? When have citizens ever had to carry papers around to enjoy the benefits of full citizenship?
Let's not pretend that the scenario we find ourselves in falls well within the boundaries of precedent.
No, the reason for these protests is a bunch of grown adults are scared of a safe and effective vaccine in a global pandemic, and are now terrorizing downtown Ottawa.
> When have citizens ever had to carry papers around to enjoy the benefits of full citizenship? Let's not pretend that the scenario we find ourselves in falls well within the boundaries of precedent.
Agreed. The scale of impact of this pandemic is without precedent. Thus the response is obviously without precedent as well. I don't know why you're surprised at that.
Like, I live in Finland. Here is an illustrative episode from what I remember from school. In Finnish case, the first world war manifested as a brutal civil war where about 1 % population died. The interwar period was characterized by political instability and sectarian violence, where it was near always people aligned with the "White" anticommunist side (victors of the civil war) doing the violence. People who publicly professed communist or socialist ideas often got roughhoused and in some incidents were killed; many times, their printing presses were burned by right-wing activists. The government turned a blind eye to these actions, but it wasn't something government orchestrated -- the actual activities were genuine "grassroots" effort from a part of populace that found any idea of communist action as totally opposed their mental image of Finnish nation, and certain democratic norms were not running very deep. (During some specific moments, the politicians were often afraid of facing a popular right-wing coup.) And granted, some of the communist action during that time was supported by the Soviet Russia and was publicly agitating for an international revolution.
However, what I am trying to say is this: Sure, a galactic alien with all the tact and deep understanding of human behavior that Lt. Commander Data possess could describe the events as "phenomena where communists faced consequences for their freely exercised speech actions because they found out their speech was wildly unpopular with some other people, without government doing censorship", but any sensible human being would recognize that there was political violence with express purpose of limiting the political speech of the left side. If you think these people had right to express their political message, it was repressed, with violence.
Now, I write about this episode of Northeast European history exactly because it is a distant analogue about any current situation anywhere in the world. But one can not pretend that if you inflict any kind of cost to other people either because they did something or because you want to change their behavior, the costs you inflict are some impersonal "consequences" which somehow makes it so that any other context of situation does not apply -- for example, your purpose for inflicting the consequences.
The vaccine reduces the amount of hospitalizations necessary to treat COVID infections which means we don't overrun our hospitals.
Much in the same way that the hospitals would be overrun if everyone was driving drunk and sending a high number of people to the hospital via car accidents.
Thanks for that!
This is not health sector or senior home work. It's trucking. It requires minimal interaction with other people.
Just because it doesn’t use physical force doesn’t mean it isn’t forced.
Your comment would be fine without that last sentence.