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App Store curation is beneficial, but it is not absolutely necessary, and in many ways is lacking.

The fact that you cannot begin to imagine a world where Apple's engineering capabilities exists beyond the App Store, nor are aware of the many, many security features they have enabled on both iOS and MacOS [0], speaks of your own skepticism towards Apple's ability to get the job done beyond the App Store. I suggest you read up on Apple's work into system security [1] and elsewhere. It's quite fascinating!

[0] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/app-security-overvi...

[1] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/system-security-ove...

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You still haven’t addressed the fact that you are lying about apple’s security.

You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store.

You have no facts and yet you continue to make a claim you know you can’t support. Indeed you have presented links that show for certain that Apple’s security is not perfect.

It seems like your ideas about the perfection of Apple’s security exist only in your imagination.

> You don’t know how many flaws there are, how long before they are fixed, or how many are protected against by the App Store.

Do you know? I've provided many links about Apple's security, while you have only offered your own opinions. If you have any helpful information, it would definitely be appreciated.

It doesn’t matter how many links you post if they don’t answer the relevant questions:

How many security flaws are there, and when do you anticipate that they will all be eliminated?

If you can’t answer these questions, then you can’t make any claim about it being close to perfect, or even how good it is.

That is fair. I suppose then it is a question of faith in Apple's security abilities. I just happen to trust Apple to be more than their App Store.

I think Apple is more than their store too. I also think they if Apple is forced to allow alternate stores, users and developers will suffer, the industry will be set back, and a few scummy operators will take some rent.

I understand that point and it has been a hypothetical situation that has been debated for years, and is only now getting closer to (possibly) becoming true. I think fears of it are overblown, as I have discussed elsewhere, because it both portrays Apple as helpless and portrays those scummy operators as being all-powerful. It also underestimates user resistance towards having to deal with more app stores that they wouldn't want to, and also underestimates the potential for smaller indie developers that alternative app stores and alternative payment processors could unlock.

That is my position, and I'd rather discuss it at a different place, but thank you for letting me know where you stand, and now you know where I do.

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