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Nice try but no different then any of the other attempts to unseat ICANN. This has absolutely no chance of working unless incumbents get their cut or you find some reason to have this, that is so compelling that average people will take it upon themselves to install and use it.

There is endless free porn with regular DNS so you can't use that. Pirate music and video has been done to death, don't think you can use that to roll out your own DNS. If facebook wanted to have their own DNS and rolled out their software with their clients then they could probably pull it off. China will do it at some point but only for their citizens in their territories.

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Nice try but it appears you didn't even read the draft RFC or any of the related resources. GNS is not trying to unseat ICANN it's trying to modernize the technical infrastructure. The GNS project does stand for user rights by advocating for a hyper-hyper local root but that's irrelevant to ICANN/registry governance as i explained in other comments on this thread.

ICANN is easy to unseat: just point your computer to an alternative DNS server.

Alas, users delegate this authority. They do not change defaults and let network admins decide where computers should point and what software will be used. The admins all point their computers to ICANN roots and ICANN roots are sometimes hardcoded into DNS software that admins insist on using.

Yet it is absoutely true, all it takes is changing some settings so that computers point elsewhere. ICANN derives its "authority" from voluntary behaviour of network admins.

And then what? You want to put up a website that only resolves from said alternative DNS server, so you… tell everyone who may want to visit your site that they have to first setup a different DNS server?

Yes. For few purposes, this is a feature, not a bug.

Examples:

• if a site is banned from ICANN DNS, then there is no other choice,

• if I want to keep bots, spammers, search systems, providers, and government out of the door,

• if I want to welcome technical elite but hide from everybody else, like it was in old Internet.

• if I don't want to pay X$ every year for every domain.

• if I want to have a cool name for my site.

• if I want to create overlays for popular sites, to fight ads, spam, promotions, PR, and unwanted content.

The crypto and Gemini communities are fine doing it (for better or worse)

Doesn't Gemini still use the normal DNS servers?

I don’t know. My point was that some groups have no issues forcing their users to install a separate system to access their “internet”

It's just another protocol.

It does.

Most people don’t know how to do that, so they are stuck with whatever Verizon, Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T, etc. offer despite there being better solutions from Cloudflare, Google, and OpenDNS.

It would be more interesting if a federation of non-profit ISPs were to do that! :)

People won't do that.

My understanding is that anyone running Firefox already has, unless they went out of their way not to. Is that no longer the case?

If you mean DoH it's still pointing to the DNS administered by ICANN/IANA just a different entry point.

"People" means common folk, with their Edge, Chrome, Android Chrome and iOS Safari. There is the web that 'just works' and the web where you need to open up the back of the unit and start swapping wires.

Common folk delegate via their network administrator, often an ISP.

Yes exactly.

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