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My family ate beef/chicken leftovers (from butchers and such) when they moved to my city.

They never stole.

Stealing is never OK.

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We should all be clamoring that stealing is never OK. But NOT with examples of poor people scraping for food.

Stealing is a deep problem in our society, and poor people have nothing to do with that.

I would argue that the real issue is being in a position where you would need to steal food during a time of relative prosperity. I know no one should be forced to be a charity but there should be a line somewhere that as a society we do not cross.

Stealing is sometimes okay, but usually the kinds of people who try to justify it do so because they infantilize criminals, which is maddening.

Stealing food to survive and not die of hunger while there's abundant waste all around is not "ok"?

I'd imagine that strong allcaps viewpoint would change in certain circumstances.

Dumpster diving or getting "waste" to survive is not stealing, is being resourceful. It is like "hacking" vs. "cheating" the system, subtle difference.

Nobody "owned" it since it was thrown away - unless you think racoons have rights...

It's still owned by the person while it's in their trash can, til the trash is collected.

It's stealing; just not stealing the owner is likely to care about. Sometimes they do, and put locks in their dumpsters though

No most countries consider trash abandoned property and free for anyone to grab.

Maybe they lock dumpsters because of liability https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/if-i-give-a-homeless-pers...

Around here, dumpsters are often locked to prevent dumping. The apartments across the street are plagued by dumpers who come at all hours and fill the dumpsters, mostly with construction debris it seems. Residents end up just piling shit on the ground around them.

Yeah stealing food so that you can sell it on the black market lol.

Most poor people are not thieves, they are decent hardworking people and don't want to be associated with crime thank you very much. Stop glamourising theft

You can't imagine any circumstance where it's okay?

Being tolerant is not always a virtue. I visited countries before with very agreeable people living absolute disparity. Had they been less agreeable, they may have overthrow their inept and corrupt governments decades ago. For their own good. People in Cuba still have to line up for hours to get pitiful food rations from the government stores. Blows my mind that nonsense is still going on, decades after near everywhere else Communism has been abolished.

You wouldn't steal a sandwich if you were literally starving to death on the streets?

My family nor me ever did when so.

Never advocated that stealing was okay. I'm just making an observation...

Stealing is okay in all sorts of situations. Many things in life are more important than the rule of property.

Scale up this mentality, you have South America

But I didn't say all stealing was okay, I said some stealing definitely is okay. I still think that's true. Some things in life are more important than property.

> Some things in life are more important than property.

If the property isn't important, why are you stealing it?

Personally I don't really care whether you think it's moral or not to steal, as long as you acknowledge that a victim of theft has an equally moral right to "steal" back what was taken, and to use a similar justification to steal a proportional (additional) amount from perpetrator. "Turnabout is fair play" and all that.

> If the property isn't important, why are you stealing it?

Because I'm starving so I'm stealing a sandwich ?

Because I don't have the money to buy something that would save my life (Medical treatment for instance) ?

If these things are important to you, they could be equally important to whoever you're stealing them from. It doesn't justify the theft. In the end, though, the morality of it is something you'll have to decide for yourself. It's your conscience. Just understand that if you do make that choice you are in no position to object if someone else does the same to you, and it's rather hard to survive—much less improve your circumstances—in a world where anyone can take whatever you've managed to save up at any time without recourse.

Please specify some of these important things that you clearly feel would be okay having stolen from you personally.

Or did you mean it's okay to steal as long it's from other people?

Out of curiosity, what are some things that are not more important than property rights in your opinion?

Intellectual property rights?

Good one, I agree.

Like what? Having a nice watch? Some Nike shoes?

Lets say that the manager's incontrovertible proof proves to be incorrect and neither party has committed a moral fault. The system the manager has leveraged for enforcement is protected from any sort of rebuke (I assume you can't sue someone for failing to make CoL adjustments in Argentina) so freezing someone's salary essentially just comes down to a form of wage theft.

Bear in mind that in America, I'm not certain about Argentina, wage theft is the most expensive crime (summed across all instances) worse than burglary, stealing office supplies, or even robbing your employer.

I agree that stealing is generally not OK - but maybe lets start by addressing the most prevalent form of stealing - by the powerful against the powerless.

With that logic the one doing the wage theft is the goverment for causing the inflation in the first place and not allowing other currencies to be used.

No, if CoL adjustments were not built into an employment agreement, then it's not wage theft in any sense.

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