2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated components in Europe.
Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally.
1. 3D printed guns are crap.
2. Some people would like possess a gun that isn't a "go to jail card."
3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention.
The only thing that 3d printed guns and homemade "ammunition from unregulated components" is to how gun control to be a futile effort, because criminals will still have access to them even if law-abiding citizens are blocked. A criminal planning a crime might not mind points 2 & 3 above, but a law abiding citizen certainly will.
Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Non-firearm parts added in US to a printed AR or glock receiver ['firearm'] can be good for several thousand.
>Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally.
Aight so how do I carry a glock for defense in Hawaii? How about carrying a glock for defense in DC after catching a felony for illegally importing a lobster? Can I drill a 3rd hill in an AR without asking daddy for permission?
>3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention.
Aight, so tell me how I could avoid being infringed while mag dumping a lightning-link.
2A is dead, we have a patchwork of [compared to rest of world] liberal gun laws that allow you to enjoy some firearms in some situations. But it's infringed to hell, particularly if you are a 'felon' [not in the sense of a felon when constitution was written -- just walking onto a prohibited water conservation area without disturbing it is a felony in my state].
The alternative is the politics of the deed, just make it.
Sure 2A would be better than mere ability to make them. But you have to live within reality. The needle isn't moving back to free of infringement.
>but a law abiding citizen certainly will
Well 2A says keeping/bearing a gun can't be illegal. Unfortunately state and federal laws say otherwise, and judges are happy to bend over and make any excuse to infringe, particularly against felons.
> Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds.
Crap is relative. How good is that gun compared to one manufactured using conventional techniques?
In general, you're missing the point: the 2A isn't dead, since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun.
Now, if you are a fool who wants to act like the law doesn't apply to you, I can see how you might think the "2A is dead," but that's just an artifact of a foolish perspective. People like that might also want to setup a GoFundMe for their commissary account.
>since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun.
I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family.
I would. How well will he be able to defend his family from jail, after he's arrested for illegal possession of a firearm? If he decides he doesn't want to be arrested, how well will he do with his 3D printed gun in a shootout with the police? Will he do well enough to avoid jail time?
You're engaging in some weird fantasy. The world doesn't actually work the way you might wish it to, and if you pretend it does (and take action on that fantasy) you're very unlikely to do better than a sovereign citizen does in court (i.e. fail totally, with everyone shaking their head about how nuts you are).
The whole point of 3d guns for many people is to avoid ever entering the court system, because by procuring all unregulated components and building it themselves, it's much more difficult for them to be caught.
> OK, grandpa
is very much not up to par with what's expected here.
Huh?
Democrats couldn't move the needle even a tiny bit on gun control, even with nominal control of all three branches and stuff like Sandy Hook as a rallying cry. The most meaningful gun regulation at the Federal level in the past few decades was Trump banning bump stocks.
There's zero reason to believe the current court - which is likely to be around for decades - will do anything but increase gun rights.
Nowhere in the country can you just drill the third hole in an AR and go at it without asking for permission.
Nowhere in the country can someone with a federal felony [except some white collar trading crimes] exercise their second amendment right, even if all tehy did was illegally import a lobster.
Nowhere in the country can you saw a 16 inch barrel down one inch without asking daddy for permission.
Several states now require universal background check just to exercise a right (own a firearm). None of this has been strucken by supreme court.
2A is dead, now we just have a legacy of fairly liberal gun laws in certain circumstances and states.
2. While the First Amendment does protect speech, the Supreme Court has held that time/place/manner restrictions on speech can be created by the Government as long as there is a rational basis for them. Compare against content-based restrictions, which will be strictly scrutinized by the courts.
Legal analysis is complicated and actions rarely fall into black-or-white categories. Even Second Amendment law has a large number of contours.
Permit for a protest is also utter horseshit on par with restrictions on 2A.
A dealership tried to do this to me when I bought a truck with cash, and I told them [politely] to get fucked (I had insurance but no proof on me as I bought it over phone). Then they finally admitted since I owned the truck outright they wouldn't stop me.
> You can't test drive it without a driving license too.
When you're test driving you haven't bought the car. The dealership can refuse to let you drive their car for pretty much any non-protected reason.
> Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property
Even if you don't need a permit to back your car down your driveway (after someone with a permit has brought it to your home), you still need one to drive it anywhere anyone would actually want to go. So you effectively need a permit to drive.
This is obviously NOT analogous to the 2A, where you need licenses and registrations just to buy a gun. In an analogous situation to cars, you would not need a license to buy a gun and shoot it at a firing range. So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable.
No, I haven't. Driving on public roads is what most people mean by "drive."
I agree they are not precisely the same thing in all respects. However practically, the situations don't seem very different.
>>> So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable.
It kind of is reasonable, given this sub-thread started with some pretty unreasonable or at least weird positions (e.g. 2A is "dead" apparently b/c everyone can't get a full-auto without a permit).
You keep using that word...
> 3d printing is an insurance policy.
Is it? An insurance policy isn't something that can blow up in your face, literally and figuratively.
Realistically, 3D printed guns aren't a direct solution to gun control, they're an argument for loosening it because they're proof it can't achieve some of its major aims.
I’ve wondered this myself. All the 3D printed things I’ve seen feel like really cheap, soft plastic. It’s hard to imagine it not exploding or at least melting from combustion like that.
For international crowd, something like FGC-9 is closest to reliable printed firearm they can get. It is hybrid. The barrel is created by 3d-printing jigs for electro-chemical machining a standard high-pressure pipe, yielding glock-like accuracy and durability of barrel. Bolt requires some work by hand. Rest is unregulated components and 3d printed.
In the US, the receiver ['firearm'] is the only component that looks regulated to the consumer. The UBAR for instance is a printed AR receiver reinforced with off-the-shelf U-bar that is extremely durable, and unless you're mag dumping or leave it in a hot car in the south or something should last thousands of round. The non-receiver parts can be bought without regulation in US.
Also bear in mind here, in self defense less than 15 rounds are typically fired.
>feel like really cheap, soft plastic.
FDM materials like PLA+ can be resilient when kept out of heat. Nylon-X and carbon fiber reinforced materials, depending on application, can provide even more rigidity and strength. Most of the stuff you've seen printed has probably been with cheap PLA with low in-fill (faster print time, somewhat hollow inside the shape). 3d printed guns are printed with very high 99+% infill (mostly solid inside the shape) with at least PLA+ to provide much more strength.
You mean like onto a trailer, then off a trailer, then a bunch of left turns then back onto a trailer?
Because that sort of recreational use is pretty analogous to what people used to do with machine guns and mortars and stuff back in the day before they were heavily restricted.