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I don't think it's quite accurate to say the existing mRNA vaccines are not effective, because the rate of hospitalization and rate of ICU admissions per capita for double-vaccinated people, vs unvaccinated people is really clear.

The data is showing that the likelihood of severe illness in a delta or omicron-infected person who previously had both doses of vaccine is significantly less.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786039

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Not ineffective, but far less effective than what was promised and expected. They're helpful, it's true.

Promised?

Yes, that's what was promised. https://www.va.gov/pittsburgh-health-care/news-releases/va-r...

...many more like that if you search.

My point is that the results from a study are not a promise, and any attempt to paint them as such is disingenuous at best.

It was the information given to people, by the very experts they're taught to look to for truth, to convince them to get the vaccine. It's really more than a promise, in fact -- it's a statement that said "we have studied this, and are convinced that it's 95% effective". Further, the efficacy was not stated as a range, with a lower bound of 50% or less. Rather, we were told _it works_. The CDC director saying last Spring "if you've gotten both doses, you cannot catch Covid, and you cannot spread Covid" was not an intentional lie -- but it was a promise made very clearly, but unfortunately overly optimistic.

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