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Nicely said. I've been thinking about this a lot too--how contextual advice is. Even if you and your father had a wonderful, sterling relationship, it would be odd if you spent the majority of your time with him when you were 22. I hope I'm not making too many assumptions here, but many (most?) 22-year-olds are probably {working, in college, in the military, doing something where family is not the main priority}.

That's fine and expected, and I would even go so far as to say that's optimal. 22 is when you should be making friends, studying, working, doing [harmless] stupid things that get you in trouble, etc. Spending time with your family on weekends or holiday--and certainly catching up with them over the phone if you live far away--is excellent, but different parts of your life, different seasons of your life, call for different things.

As you get older, you should "come home", so to speak. I don't mean literally, although that would be perfectly all right, but metaphorically--probably more check-ins with your family, more holidays with them, etc. But if you're 22 and spending New Years Eve with your best friends, I think that is more than acceptable.

Agreed. I suppose someone losing his dad at 22 is, by and large, an anomaly in the welfare society.

My dad died when I was 26. We had a really good, warm relationship, though: driving in his car, sitting side by side, not talking a single word for 30-45 minutes, and both still feeling good.

(Occasionally, though, in the end, he would ask something like "So, ugh, have you considered who to become when you're an adult?" -- to which I replied, "Uh, I guess I have, yeah." In a few still seconds, he'd say, "Yeah. Good idea to think about that." Disclaimer: national stereotype of us, Estonian men, is that we speak around 6 sentences a year -- but even at that time, as a teenager, I liked this blissful silence a lot.)

Then again, losing dad at a young age has surely influenced my own parenting. Basically, I gave up all my career ambitions just to be with the kids when they were (are) preschoolers. Prior to his death, work stuff was really going uphill for the 20-something me; now, I admit really struggling to get back on track again (I may have missed the career train for good).

I have also noticed an internal mantra or meme: I need to raise my kids so they could cope (psychologically and in terms of hands-on survival skills) if one of their parents, or both of their parents, should die unexpectedly.

To the previous poster and GP: thanks a lot for sharing your experiences and thoughts. I sometimes think that maybe me and my dad had no principal misunderstandings simply because he died too early for these to develop.

Thanks for the reply, and for sharing your story. I smiled at the description of Estonian men--I know a few Eastern Europeans myself (I think Estonia falls under Eastern Europe?), and your description is completely accurate. I'm glad you and your father had a warm relationship.

I have a question for you: Do you wish you had stayed on the career train? Maybe not completely, but at least not getting off of it entirely? I am on the career train right now (not married, no children) but am wondering if it is "best" to leave if/when I start a family. Part of me feels like that would be nice, but the other part of me worries about providing materially for my [future] family, including my parents, who are not so well off financially too. So I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this, whether you have any regrets over it.

Based on my own experience, there is no need to do so. I have just set hard limits on what can be expected of me (e.g no work after 6), and by all appearances my boss is still very happy with my work (and corresponding promotions).

That makes sense. Are you at all concerned about not getting promotions as quickly in the future, or being more easily replaceable, etc.? I guess I'm under the "up or out" mindset, especially in tech with the ageism factor. I would love to do exactly what I'm doing right now for the next 30 years, but I don't know if that's possible--that mindset keeps me on the train, so to speak.

Not really. It probably depends on the organisation you are working for, but where I’m at now I still feel valued. Of course I’ll get less promotions, but that’s mostly because I reached the highest IC level now (as far as I’m aware).

I can’t tell you how to do that though. For me I used to do a lot of feature delivery, but now I’m more focused on team wide improvements (pipeline, CI/CD, guidelines, tooling). I’ve taken myself off the critical path, but make everyone’s life better (or aim to, anyway).

This seems like a very USA perspective. Maybe less so for men but in Japan, plenty of 20 something women consider their mom their best friend and they hang out. I'm just guessing there are other cultures with similar practices. In the USA or a least in US media, pretty much all movies with teens/young adults emphasize getting out on your own as soon as possible. I don't think that's a universal.

In fact, while this is probably NOT true, if it was I wouldn't be surprised, and "that" would be that it's possible that marketing companies pushed this narrative through the media, like they did with diamond rings and cigarettes, since going single means you need more stuff. More places to live (1 person instead of 1 per family), more things you'd normally be able to share (pretty much everything in your house except toothbrushes and clothing), need your own car, etc...

I thought the same thing.

Some of my Asian friends were still living with their parents at 25 years old and apparently enjoying it. I've seen it in Vietnam, Taiwan, and Singapore, so it appears pretty widespread.

I know at least one guy who easily could have purchased his own apartment in Singapore. But he very much enjoyed having relatives visit with their small kids, as they would cheer up everyone by being silly. So he stayed at his parents place until he got married and started making kids of his own.

And yes, he probably saved lots of money that way, too. But I'm sure he didn't need to. He was the CEO of a well funded startup with a $50mio+ exit. Also, he sometimes invited friends (like me) and coworkers to his parents place and nobody thought that was weird.

It really is a US / western cultural difference.

Wow! Thanks for sharing--that really does strike me as unusual, coming from my US perspective. How did your friend date while living at home? I'm genuinely curious--having a hard time understanding how this would work (but I also have overbearing parents...).

There's cheap cafes everywhere, so going on a date is easy. For feeling each other up, you can go to a karaoke place, they'll have semi public rooms. For more, there's hotels you can rent by the hour, usually within walking distance of clubs and karaoke bars. Plus all of these countries are warm enough that you can also just cuddle in a park, at the beach, or in the rainforest.

I didn't know that about Japan. I was born overseas but have been living in the US since I was three, so you're correct--definitely a US perspective. The capitalist slant is interesting too but I don't know if I totally agree with it...I suppose it's possible.

I think my point is less about where you physically live and more about how you prioritize your time and focus.

Yeah. Me and my brother were busting our arses off working back then, and father felt horribly about it because he left us nothing and he stopped working due to being way too ill. Life zooms by way too fast in such conditions and there's not much we can do about it.

Yeah, that is indeed a complicated situation. I'm glad you and your brother navigated through it, and that it seems you have reconciled some of your feelings towards him. Life really does zoom past--"Time just gets away from us."

> Good luck telling a 22-year old that they must prioritize spending time with their parents because life's too short. They'll just dismiss you in seconds.

Just to give another side of that, I'm 24, and chose to stay in the same city where my parents are living so that I can see them at least every week for a dinner, and sometimes more. My brother did the same after living in another city for a few years. Part of it is due to basically everyone over 30 telling how precious the time you spend with your parents is. Since I saw this everywhere, I reflected a bit more about my relationship with my parents, and found that spending time with them on a weekly basis fills me with happiness. Without lots of people insisting on it, I may have missed that. I had my studies, had to look for a job, take care of my mental health, friends, hobbies. My parents didn't always have the place they deserve within my mind, and now, partially thanks to posts and comments like that, they do.

So to everyone that talked about the importance of parents, thank you. I can't guarantee that I read your specific comment or article, but you are part of something that added some happiness and removed regrets from my life.

I'm 38 and had the same experience - not specifically about my mother but about prioritizing spending time with my wife & children even when it seems my work needs my time & attention. Usually everything works out fine even if I occasionally leave early to pick up my kid from kindergarten in the afternoon.

I was raised to prioritize work above all and it took years and many similar discussions and texts like the above to make me realize it's not what makes me happy.

Good points. Agree that forcing interactions would never be productive. But I would say that many times intertia and the worries of the moment are a big deal. You can’t mend every relationship, but you can tend to the ones you have.

One of the regrets that I’ll always have is that for a few years, my dad and I worked in the same downtown area of our city, and we only got together for lunch a maybe a half dozen times.

We had a great time when we did, but usually my schedule made it difficult. He passed away last year, and it occurred to me that the things that seemed so important at the time are trivial and forgotten today - having that hotdog together for 20 minutes would have been a much better use of time.

I agree. The problem is only one: can we make ourselves able to see things differently beforehand? I found it near impossible so far and I am past 40 already.

I find it hard to consider that people that have been in my life since forever might die.

It's not easy for anyone to consider it. But it's a fact of life. Still, it's not something we should train ourselves for. When it comes, it comes, and you'll be equipped to deal with it.

people often say what advice would you give to yourself or if you travelled back in time what would you tell yourself, and really there is no profound wisdom to depart. Everything I have done is based on my current understanding which is not really complete. Like looking back I may regret I wish I'd have done xyz more, but then if I actually had been doing that I would be regretting something new.

Perhaps this part of my ruminating inner voice, but I think my wisdom to myself would come in small nudges: stay away from here, pay attention to this, ask for help with that.

As a parent this is sort of what I do with my kids -- there are problems I've faced along the way that I would have loved help with. I'm looking out for those things and trying to impart what seems like wisdom from where I am now.

> Everything I have done is based on my current understanding which is not really complete.

Sure, but that's what time traveller you brings to the table, some "future understanding".

I would hope I would listen, deflect my trajectory somewhat at least.

but that's the thing, my new understanding may make me miss out on certain things... example: i go back and tell myself, work hard and learn programming. I go 200% on it, but then when i do it i realize i feel i missed out on life becuz i listened to my future self. Future self doesn't have perfect memory and dont really knew what my past was feeling and had perspective.

> if you travelled back in time what would you tell yourself

Mortgage the house and invest it all in MSFT.

financially there are very certain things I could tell

- buy house in 2012

- buy bitcoin back then too

- buy amazon stocks

- short sell certain companies, i.e. blockbuster

The "Walking Distance" episode of the original Twilight Zone is a classic. Captures you can't go back.

But I have to say, I dearly want to hear what the elderly at the end of their lives have to say to us. Whether I act or not is up to me, but I want to hear their piece.

Very well said. It’s part of life to reorganize your values, you can’t accelerate it to avoid regret.

> Good luck telling a 22-year old that they must prioritize spending time with their parents because life's too short. They'll just dismiss you in seconds.

Reason number 100 I’m glad I watched the film Ikiru in my 20s! Helped me realize what’s actually valuable

> And that's IMO the point of the article (partially) as well: as you grow old, you experience tragedies and they realign you. Then you start appreciating the human part of life (family and close friends) more. But you can't do that before.

You can't do what before? Not everyone experiences the death of others in the same way nor on the same schedule.

IMO you can't mature in an accelerated manner (save for a lot of personal tragedies; that tends to accelerate things indeed).

I understand you may have had your challenges, but I completely disagree with that opinion based on my personal experience and from what I've witnessed of countless others.