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I read this quite often on HN, but my experience is quite different: English Wikipedia pages are amazing for learning about some scientific or historical thing or when I want to understand something. Even with political things it tries to describe the controversies without being too judgemental (which is really hard to balance out).

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It depends heavily on the page. I can personally provide an example of the "Men's rights movement" page. I used to be heavily involved in the movement with regards to parental custody. At least a decade ago, ideological moderators began applying extremely high standards for the page. Whole sections were removed and re-written. Their argument was that "these are the rules," and while technically true, the rules are diverse and opaque. They can be applied in many ways, depending on one's ideological alignment. I encourage you to take a look at the above page, and then contrast it with "Feminism." You'll notice a distinct difference to the breadth of content, the standard for citation, and especially the tone. For example, in the second paragraph on the "Men's rights movement" introduction, moderators have added an entire paragraph of criticism. You'll see no comparable criticism on the "Feminism" page in the introduction. More recently they added a "Not to be confused with the pro-feminist Men's liberation movement" at the very tippy top of the page to try to move traffic towards a feminist friendly page. No such suggestion appears on the "Feminism" page.

I could provide endless commentary on this example, but suffice it to say, it is very difficult to look at this comparison and rationally argue no moderation bias exists. Now consider that this is just one tiny corner of the site. This is happening to millions of pages. Larry Sanger, Wikipedia co-founder, has been very vocal about its political bias. I, for one, believe him.

Even straightforward situations are frustrated by what is a broken process. There was an article for a black WWII pilot - the only black pilot from the war to be designated an ace - whose article was under constant attack by a particular user. The pilot's fifth kill originally been split between himself and another pilot, but a later investigation had awarded him full credit. In any case, the AF had honored him as an ace at some point before he died, and it was covered prominently in his obituary. Well, this user - a researcher who also worked to "debunk" myths about the exploits of the Tuskegee Airmen - was adamant that the pilot did not have enough kills to be designated an ace. He cited work that had gone back to the original war-time records (before the reinvestigation). The author of this research? Him.

The article is so small, though, and on a topic unsympathetic to the largely white and male editor base, that flagrant original research doesn't register.

Thanks, I read it, and sure, with so many citatitions and edits the page gets extremely boring. Also I see some forced changes that are very clear part of the feminist propaganda: I don’t believe that false rape allegations are under 4%, as it would mean 20 real rapes for every person who just goes to the police because she can.

I had an experience a few years ago when a teenage girl was having consensual sex with me on a party in her room, but she didn’t like the sex, so she just casually told me that I have to put my clothes on fast and get out of the room (so that she can have sex with another guy), or else she goes to the police and tells them that I raped her. At that time I believed that it would be impossible to get me into prison for something I have not done, but the ease of how she said it scared me: the incentives against false reporting are clearly missing.

I can understand GP's interest in parental custody. That's an incredibly difficult issue that almost always ends in heartbreak for someone. Your claim is... different. People falsely claim to have been raped far far FAR less often than they don't report actually having been raped. If anything, the incentives should be realigned to encourage the reporting of sexual assault.

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