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> P2P meth

For those confused by the P2P acronym as I was, it's apparently a synthesis route that was developed in response to the crackdowns on OTC ephedrine products. It's apparently a lot more pure than the older stuff, at least according to https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/

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The Atlantic wrote a really good deep dive piece into the differences recently. Highly recommend reading through it. There are a lot of unknowns about the long term consequences. Anecdotally, people close to me in the mental health industry are really distraught about it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new...

In my opinion that Atlantic article is far from good. Its a scare piece designed to make the public afraid

Methamphetamine is methamphetamine and there is no "new meth"

It's simply a higher amount of R-meth and less L-meth(the non psychoactive isomer)

Don't believe everything you read

Book by the same author here

https://www.amazon.com/Least-Us-Tales-America-Fentanyl/dp/16...

It's a devastating read.

It’s an interesting theory but the meth from the 1970’s was all P2P and we didn’t see the same impact.

It’s cheaper now and way more socially acceptable (decriminalized) to use meth in public (at least in west coast states). My dad was a meth user and only got clean when he was incarcerated. I bet there are thousands who just spiral downward further and further until they just die because now there are no consequences or barriers or repercussions to stop this behavior. Not only that, we incentivize and subsidize drug use in some cities. San Francisco has an “adult” support program that gives homeless people a debit card which they can withdraw cash from. I guarantee 90% of that cash is spent on fentanyl and meth. They give out dozens of needles at a time (once saw one dude with literally 300-500 needles) to drug users but not to diabetics. We have really skewed/inverted our priorities.

Huh wasn't that a plot point in breaking bad?

Yup. Apparently some of the broad strokes of the plot are accurate, including the move to industrialized p2p production.

Jesse and Walter steal a barrel of methylamine so Jesse no longer has to boost ephedrine across the state. It does not, however make the end product blue

Sort of a little case study in how clamping down on precursors just drives producers to change the formula, while making things more difficult for all the legitimate users of the precursor materials.

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