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Noticed how rare it is too see libertarians promote some sort of "Great Reset"? That is, to make sure that people in their new "fair & meritocratic" system don't get a head start by wealth accumulated under the flawed previous system. Well...its absence pretty much shows their hand. It's just another power grab by the incumbents. Furthermore it is more accurately referred to as Propertarianism, since upholding private property is the sole purpose of that entire ideology.

You either did not read my comment, or do not understand Georgism or Geo-Libertarianism if you call it "Propertarianism", libertarianism encompasses a large range of economic models, you seem to only be familiar with the Ancap models where by homestead principle is the primary distribution of property.

Georgism / Geo-Libertarianism flows from Lockean philosophy of natural rights, concluding the premise of human equality alone implies that the benefits of natural resources be shared equally.

So you just add a tax on land ownership and do nothing about wealth concentration - and thus power concentration - and think it will magically work out? Those rich powerful folks are now just going to stop attempting to bend the rules in their favour? Those taxes would be gone within a year and all that's left is a Propertarian neo-feudalism.

You also skipped the answering the main part, a "Great Reset" that surely must be a logical first step to avoid undue advantage jumping over from the flawed past?

I actually did not skip over it. An economic reset under a Geo-Libertarian model would be very different than what you are talking about when you refer to the Authoritarian Socialist "Great Reset" proposed by the authoritarians on the US Political left.

So no as a libertarian, I would not be in favor of an Authoritarian "Great Reset", that is with out getting to unfeasible nature of the Authoritarian "Great Reset" for which you claim my libertarian model would be unworkable, but yet believe an Authoritarian "Great Reset" would be... odd

So the idea is to keep the wealth/power concentration of today and hope that they will comply with a land value tax and stop trying to use their power to bend the rules? I'm sorry but that is even more naive than an old-school authoritarian vanguardist.

> Authoritarian Socialist "Great Reset" proposed by the authoritarians on the US Political left.

This sounded interesting though, care to explain what - and who? - this is referring to?

you do understand that libertarianism has no concept of corporations in the first place right? Corporations are government fictional entity created as a liability shield, so the fact you believe libertarians will create "biggest corporations takes all" shows your lack of understanding of libertarianism. The second the government creates a legal entity of corporations that government ceases to be libertarian.

>>Fascist dictatorship is the final state of numerous, maybe most starting points.

No, most nations will devolve to fascism as a direct result of trusted the concept of democracy too much, democracy naturally lend themselves to moving more and more power into the centralized control of the majority, at which point it is short step to fascism

This is something the left in the US gets wrong very often as attempts to nationalize more and more regulation and laws at the federal level, attempts to make more and more of our system "democratic".

Federalism with a strong constitution is the way to preserve liberty, and stave off fascism, 2 things the left in the US want to tear down

If your flavor of libertarian fantasy lacks something called a "corporation", that only means the thing that takes the role of a corporation has a different name in it. That means a gang, or a duke, or a warlord, or something. In other formalisms, it is "collective". The name is irrelevant. BIG > little is the key fact. Every libertarian fantasy has BIG voluntarily yielding power to little.

So the libertarians are distinct from ancaps? If it involves capitalism in some way that means there is some kind of concentration of capital and thus inevitably corporations.

libertarianism is about social and economic freedom, it stands opposite of authoritarianism, under both there are "right" economic concepts, such as the homestead principle, libertarians that support homestead principle are ancaps.

There are also "left" economic concepts such as Georgism, libertarians that support Georgism are Geo-Libertarians

We are all libertarians in that we believe strong centralized governments are antithesis of liberty

The question was about corporations. Whether they depend on strong government. I think that is not true, they merely depend on societally enforced notion of property. Libertarians might find a way for property to work without government, but that does not automatically make corporations obsolete.

Businesses do not depend on strong government, corporations do. There is a good argument that Smashing the State, will Eat the Rich [1]

[1]https://c4ss.org/content/30085

The truly free market might work as described, I am not contending that. But history repeatedly shown that free market is an unstable equilibrium prone to exploitation by organized groups.

History has more accurately shown organized groups use government to destabilize the free market in a bid to control it.

The solution to this, something the framers of the US attempted, is to deny government the authority to do this. Unfortunately we did not listen to their warnings and have since at least the end of the civil war, and more accelerated since the Great Depression have removed these limits from government, have rolled back the separation of powers. altered the very foundation of the US Government and allowed more and more power to become centralized, this as enabled the very wealth and income inequality that people now want the government that caused the issue in the first place to "fix", this of course will fail but supporters of government solutions to all problems will never admit that the government is the problem...

As the axiom goes, Government: If you think you have problems now, wait until you see our solutions.

And if you think there's nothing worse than government, wait until it fails.

Seems you never saw anything outside US.

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