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old.reddit.com with redditenhancementsuite.com extension is still the best way to browse. I'm impressed that they've kept the old UI for so many years. The usage must be significant to keep it around.

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They keep it around, but I've noticed recently I just randomly get opted back into the new design. When I go to settings to opt back out, it shows that I'm already opted out. Then I just click it, which going by the button state would opt me in, but it opts me back out again. It's weird, and it seems clear that they're just auto opting me in on the back end and hoping I'll just deal with it, which I can't because the new design is impossible to navigate.

If they decide to give you Reddit coins it does this behavior exactly. You can fix it for a time by claiming the coins.

There are browser extensions that force all reddit pages to open with old.reddit

I honestly don't understand how people use reddit using the new UI, or even using the old UI with custom subreddit styles enabled.

completely agree with both of you.

old. and RES is my method as well

I think it's fine on desktop. On mobile while logged out reddit is cancer.

https://i.reddit.com/ isn't too bad

it’s 10-15%. if you moderate a sub you see where people come from

It varies greatly by sub. For desktop users, I see closer to 45% using old reddit.

All of the moderators I know of, use old.reddit and Mod toolbox. Not the slow as hell redesign.

Redesign also loses your place when you tap back. Unusable.

This is a feature, not a bug. Can't have you choosing which content you'd like to see.

That's a lot lower than I expected. I can't stand the new UI. I guess most traffic is from people without accounts though.

One of the most important lessons about mass-use computer tools is that overwhelmingly people use defaults.

I first realised this back in the 1990s when shitty default monitor resolution and refresh rate would literally inflict pain (headaches and eyestrain).

MS Windows 95 / 98 shipped with a default of 800x600@60Hz. This was on CRTs, many viewed under office flourescent lighting, which gave rise to a bloody awful flicker that people mistakenly attemtped to correct with "glare screens" and other useless crud.

The solution was simply to crank up refresh rate slightly. Bumping up resolution also gave more useful area and clearer, easier-to-read fonts. (This was also before Cleartype / sub-pixel rendering.)

And yet something like 90-95% of systems monitored ... somehow (possibly an early Web tool) revealed 800x600, and I believe 60 Hz refresh. This on systems which could easily be bumped to 1024x768 or better.

And this was literally a click away off the desktop.

Lesson Younger Me learned: users won't change any default.

So:

- Pick really good defaults. Autoconfigure for best experience if possible.

- If you want to cram things down users' throats, you can just change the default experience, especially on a SAAS app.

Yeah, 10-15% of users opting out of anything is incredibly high.

I agree with your general point, but the specific example isn't as egregious as you make it out to be. In the mid-90s, protocols for determining supported monitor resolutions were just coming out. The first widely-adopted protocol was DDC2, which wasn't standardized until mid-1996. Had Windows 95 or 98 defaulted to 1024x768@72Hz, a significant fraction of users would upgrade and find their display didn't work. To get a usable system, they'd have to figure out how to boot into safe mode and manually tweak the display settings.

I'm pretty sure this was 1999--2000 or thereabouts.

It's possible that standards were still too rough, but the statistic left a strong impression on me. I believe the general concept is validated elsewhere as well --- I'm pretty sure Jacob Nielsen has a similar finding.

> This on systems which could easily be bumped to 1024x768 or better.

Well, on a 14 inch CRT with no DPI scaling it’s debatable whether a higher resolution was ‘better’.

On Windows, system fonts could be scaled. Even set independently for different screen elements.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130321082317/http://www.bbc.co...

Font selection dialogue: https://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/0c3b043fb25425d17444ff8e...

https://neurologicexam.med.utah.edu/adult/cases/windows_disp...

The effect would still be finer resolution AND readable fonts. Less eyestrain.

Unlike, say, on present-generation MacOS, which does effectively limit upper-end display resolution.

If it's only showing old.reddit.com traffic then it might not reflect everyone who is using the old UI.

You can have the old UI with the base site given the correct settings/cookies.

That's how I browse, but I think you need to have an account to be able to set the old theme. I was assuming that scenario was included in old.reddit.com traffic. If it's not, then 10-15% of traffic hitting the old.reddit.com domain seems really high.

Or the app. They push it hard. Or apps on general? I still use rif

Honestly that is an order of magnitude higher than I expected. Is this statistic for a tech-focused sub if I may ask?

I'm still using .compact for mobile browsing

Don't mention it! If you remind them it exists they'll destroy it.

Let's hope they keep this promise of 3 years ago when someone mentioned it.

https://old.reddit.com/r/beta/comments/8lv96l/feedback_pleas...

What is .compact?

https://www.reddit.com/.compact

There's also https://i.reddit.com which is a similar but slightly different experience.

EDIT: per commenters below correcting my mistake, this is "the same" experience AFAWCT

They're the exact same for me. In fact links on i.reddit.com are for www.reddit.com/...[/].compact

Oh, so they are! So what happened here, IYI: I did a paranoiac double-check that both domains resolved and showed content before commenting, but my (...)/.compact result was with smaller text/more "squeeze". I thought it odd but it made sense because, y'know, "compact."

Turns out I had at some point set an 80% zoom while visiting there on this particular browser. Sorry for the confusion!

Those are identical AFAIU.

Often .compact and i.reddit.com will interchange in my experience. (I forget which switches to which.)

Holy shit, TIL

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