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> Bitcoin is already mature and it's the most democratic type of currency/money/property in the world, how can you argue against that?

Am I able to use Bitcoin or Ethereum to pay for my groceries yet? Or do I have to continue to wait 10+ mins for a single transaction to settle whilst overpaying for the fees to make it go faster?

If that is 'web3', then you might as well use Apple / Google Pay then.

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> 10+ mins, overpaying for the fees

This is what lightning will fix.

> If that is 'web3',

C'mon, don't argue in bad faith, Bitcoin is not web3 just like AJAX is not web2.0. Web3 can and should be built atop bitcoin lightning, but bitcoin can exist separately.

> This is what lightning will fix.

when?

It's only a layer 2 to the most secure financial system on the planet, it surely should have taken only 3 months to accomplish!

It's still in beta/alpha, it works but it sometimes loses the channels, it doesn't lose your BTC however.

Correction, fixed. It is already working.

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