Just as you mentioned, this switch lets me know, I'm gonna be asleep in the next few seconds. I also often listen to audiobooks or ASMR while lying down to sleep, and just as this state kicks in, I know its time to flick out my earbuds just before I lose consciousness. However, sometimes I'm even able to ride this wave right into sleep -- as in, from weird observer state right into the dream world. I was actually thinking about this a few days ago, and did some very quick searching, but couldn't find anything -- I wonder if we are observing the switching of our own brainwaves from alpha to theta?
I'd like to ask other people that experience this: do you also have high rates of sleep paralysis? I get it almost nightly. My dreams are also very vivid, and I remember about 80% of them. Also, if I wake up during a dream, upon falling back asleep, I'm able to "continue" them. Maybe I'll try this Dali method a bit, who knows!
Yes, often toward the end of this near-dreaming state, just before entering deeper sleep. I experience a sensation like entering a free fall and lose the ability to move. It takes quite a lot of energy to climb back out of it and regain the ability to move.
Just curious as someone who has never had any of these N1 experiences, what might I be missing...
During this time sleep paralysis is almost always in effect. Basically I can listen and think, but there is a gate on my muscles - small motions like twitching my fingers won't work, strong motions cut through (and immediately stops the paralysis). To me it generally happens when my mind is about to switch off and I am on the verge of falling asleep.
I have this too, i asked around and people just found it weird.
Most also don't remember their dream, but i can remember the last one for about 10 minutes before it fogs away.
If i want to continue it. I need to remember the last thing that happened and the first moments i can control what's going to happen until something else takes over. It's the only reason I would go back to sleep again, if the dream was really "nice".
I also think I can control a dream and I mostly realize that I'm dreaming. Then I think about: "hey, this is really weird what's happening here, I'll wake up now. Since this is just a dream. It can't be real."
There's also one time I totally didn't realize it at all. And something embarrassing happened. But I drank alcohol the night before and it must have been related to that.
Sometimes people say they can have conversations with me, while I definitely was sleeping. You could ask any question than and I'd answer ( even the kind that you shouldn't ask)
( Didn't read the article yet)
Then these shocks also started happening before sleep, before entering or inside this N1 state, basically I would "hard on" consciously notice I am drifting which kind of catapulted me back into full consciousness. Though, it wasn't hard to start slipping back into sleep unless nervous for next day stuff.
I am not a lucid dreamer, I think I experienced that once but it was very ...murky, like a typical dream afterwards. Same for sleep paralysis, happened few times but it's rare and as far as I remember, it wasn't fear inducing.
Also, needs to be noted that my "sleep organization" is pretty fucked up and I often end up sleeping less hours then I would normally need, for days, refilling the deficit thru weekends.
I can't remember the last time I had a dream. Months ago probably.
Random question but - do you consume any caffeine?
My sleep is like blink of an eye. It's night, I close my eyes, then I open them, and there is morning already. I's always the same, no matter how long I have slept, whether I am well rested or tired.
Since the time feels so compressed during my sleep, I can't help but feel that sleep is, kinda, a waste of time.
Usually I have 2-3 coffees per week. I drink a lot of various types of tea daily, though.
And just to be clear, I didn't mean that I fall asleep as soon I close my eyes. It's just that there is no "transition" between being conscious and sleeping. And then, suddenly, I'm awake.
I have that idea that my mind suppresses the memories of dreaming and falling asleep, because when I was a kid I had two recurring nightmares that I dreamed of almost every night. Still, never did proper research on this topic.
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For me, I usually will wake up once in the night, and fall back to sleep quickly. This adds to a sense of time. Also, waking up in the morning it's distinctly more cold, I feel distinctly more groggy, etc. I definitely get a sense that time has passed...
But if you're asking if I am ever aware that I'm sleeping and conscious of the minutes passing by? No, never. I fall asleep, time passes, I wake up (but, unlike you, I do feel like time passed...)
My suspicion is eventually the brain says “oh you care about this? Okay cool I’ll hold on to them for longer.”
Give it a couple of weeks you might be surprised.
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Or quitting cannabis, in which case I have vivid and wild dreams for a couple weeks and then back to normal.
Because it is, according to my doc. You’re looking directly at your inner thinking machinery, and moreso you can interact with it by simply asking yourself a question just before this state kicks in.
I have a little success story of using it. Previously I’ve had a fear of being late, with a heavy protective behavior, almost OCD-like. Doc wanted me to answer when and how did I get the idea that being late is so terrible. I tried hard to recall, but only simple reinforcement events came up to mind. Then he said that I should either fall asleep in that session (failed it), or repeat the question before I go to sleep at home. Just in few seconds my subconscious presented me the correct event from my childhood in full detail. One session later I was free of that fear, and now can easily plan 4-5 meetings in a row in different parts of the city, an unimaginable thing for me before.
> The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself.
For me the images and thoughts are absurd but in a terrifying way. I usually wake up when this happens. I analyze the thoughts and images after waking up and they make absolutely no sense, yet in my sleep they make me very very afraid/upset, disturbing enough to make me get up terrified. I have anxiety disorder, and that's most certainly causing me to feel this way.
I also get voices speaking random gibberish that gets progressively louder which forces me to get up from my sleep. After getting up I'm usually like 'wtf was that' and go back to sleep.
1) Weird things like this happen to me most often in the early morning hours when I'm still drowsy but I've woken up for a few minutes.
2) It is sometimes accompanied by a "whooshing" sensation that used to frighten me and usually caused me to "back out" into normal consciousness. Eventually I learned how to relax and let it unfold without panicking. Quite often I have the sensation of rolling out of my body, off the bed and onto the floor.
3) I am paralyzed when it happens, in the sense that if I move my hand, the hand that moves is a dream hand. My real hand of course doesn't move. It doesn't feel like paralysis because I can "move" in my dream. But I am consciously aware that my real body is lying still in bed.
4) I have to be very careful not to wake myself especially at the beginning (edit: and being careful is paradoxical because if I am too careful then that will wake me too, sort of like the paradox of needing to be both loose and tight in sports). I am also aware that if my wife coughs or makes some kind of noise, I might wake up. I have discovered an odd remedy for this however: if I make "dream noise" - for instance, if I shuffle my feet loudly in the dream - I am less likely to be woken by real noise from the real world.
This appears to be most of the relevant except: http://entersection.com/posts/897-richard-p-feynman-on-watch...
It lasted a couple of seconds only, while I was extremely tired, but it was an amazing experience.
It’s such a fascinating topic and yet it’s remarkable how little we still know about sleep, consciousness, dreams, etc.
I also get this, much more rarely, with images. While awake, I can't truly picture what I imagine, it's like I just have a notion of what is there, like motion and shape, without really seeing it, or at best a momentary flash of a picture. But when drifting to sleep there is a moment where the images become real, with color and texture and detail far beyond what I can imagine while awake. It's shocking and wakes we up when I notice it happening.
What is this switch? How can my brain have such discretely distinct modes of operation? Falling asleep itself seems so much more of a continuum.
If i am tired enough, then i can fall asleep, but am somehow also able to hear myself snoring.
Dreams do not happen in this state.
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Perceived_exposure_to_inner_...
which leads to a very accurate description of that kind of visualizations:
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/8B_Geometry_-_Perceived_expo...
Apparently it’s a normal phenomenon, I’ve noticed it’s more pronounced in those who struggle to get off to sleep.
Usually, when I try to explain it, it comes out as nonsense that makes complete sense to me. But once I’m awake, the sense is lost and it makes zero sense.
But it’s not always nonsense. Once I heard the most beautiful orchestra. The composition, the performance, it was truly beautiful. I can’t remember anything about it other than it was the most beautiful piece of music I’ve ever heard.
Coming in at a close second was an incredible guitar solo. It was a deep, emotional ballad expressed entirely on the fret board of an electric guitar. Again, truly beautiful. I look but I can never find anything that matches it. The closest I’ve come are some live performances of Buckethead.
It’s sad that I haven’t the ability to reproduce these experiences.
For the nonsense stuff, I’ve heard voices talking amongst themselves next to my bed. Sounds like they’re speaking English but what they say makes zero sense. Like grammatically correct sentences that mean nothing.
I’ve also watched pigs doing cartwheels while on a guided tour of a suburban neighbourhood.
I’ve never had the self-control to break it and note things down (by that point, I usually just want the sleep) but I have tried to apply ideas from behaviourism. And funnily enough it seemed to help.
On nights that are a particular struggle, I’ll let my mind wander and inject the odd bizarre, abstract thought, audio or visual in my minds eye. What I’ve noticed is that I seem to “catch the drift” and it triggers the whole hypnogogia thing that leads to sleep.
Some nights it doesn’t work but on those nights I’m far too tightly wound.
Though the best way I learned to remember dreams and having some control is not when falling asleep but waking up. Rather set an alarm one or two REM cycles before you want to get up (cycle is 90 minutes) and then just go back to bed. It's far more vivid than when trying to go to sleep and easier to take some control (though I've only become lucid twice). At minimum you'll remember your dream.
For them btw is not the trick to remember the thoughts but to stay aware when transitioning to the sleep phase, this is one of the moments clear conciousness can be experienced according to certain teachings.
Far more likely it would be "The banana is great, but the skin is greater"[0] :)
0. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Where_China_Meets_India...
I used to be able do this in the morning for what felt like hours in a extremely vivid dream like state
It's how I got into self-hypnosis to help with my exams
Lying in bed, I vividly remember studying for a test on human anatomy, going over everything in my head. After five or so minutes, I felt pretty confident with my knowledge of human anatomy and I started panicking about my lack of knowledge of car anatomy (which doesn’t exist).
Strange enough, I can always tell my thoughts are jumbled up but I can’t fix them.
I hadn’t considered it was due to the shift into sleep — I always thought I was just too tired to keep making sense.
If I held on and tried this for as long as possible, I'd feel my body drift off to sleep. But it was hard, because there'd be something in me that would jerk and stop the imagery (like a hypnic jerk, just nowhere near as uncomfortable).
There was a bizarre situation where one evening I felt my body convulse (or perhaps I imagined it) and I'd actually fallen asleep. However, I was so freaked out by it that I shook my body awake, in my dream, and I woke up. I must've been out for less than a minute or so.
It's been 7-8 months since I was last able to stare into the nothingness and let sleep overtake me. Maybe it's my caffeine intake or something else, but I would like to experience it again.
Edit: I'm pretty sure they were hypnagogic hallucinations. https://www.sleepfoundation.org/how-sleep-works/hypnagogic-h...
> If I held on and tried this for as long as possible, I'd feel my body drift off to sleep. But it was hard, because there'd be something in me that would jerk and stop the imagery (like a hypnic jerk, just nowhere near as uncomfortable).
I do the same thing, though the more mental effort put into creating the images makes it take longer before I'm able to fall asleep. There's a sweet spot of putting the smallest mental effort to go to sleep quickly.
I usually use it as a crutch when I can't just let my mind drift.
Visually it's mixed up with "blank images" in that sense that I know there is something happening but I can't grasp it. It's like watching very fast recording - you know something is there but either it's too fast to catch or you are too slow to grasp the meaning (if there even is any).
What's weird is that these background songs actually do make sense, well at least in my head (heh) and these are not copies or mixes of anything I can remember.
I am mainly a electronic music junkie: DnB, techno, drumstep but from time to time I, mainly dictated by my emotions, listen to instrumental rock, indie metal and alike (BMTH, I Prevail, Royal Blood). But in contrast, all the songs in my head are instrumental, often being "lyrics first" which is pretty much out of my typical range - I like to fill in the words, feelings - some meaning into the beats myself, that is why I listen to progressive electro stuff with not much lyrics if any.
I am guy with absolutely basic music theory and zero exposure to anything like music composition (okey I sometimes dream (like in wish) that I would learn piano or bass).
I can trigger this in myself consistently. Usually, it's either by pushing myself to stay awake for too long on too little sleep or waking up after a full days work and only sleeping a few (2-4) hours.
I try not to, I find it terrifying tbh.
One thing I didn't see mentioned here is that sometimes it seems like some of the thoughts didn't originate from me, like someone else is present or said it. I assume when I'm deeper into sleep, the same process is responsible for creating all the other characters besides myself in my dreams.
I seem to go through these cycles with 3-4 weeks of great sleep and roughly 2 weeks of getting stuck in N1, observing.
Really interesting things show up while in this state, but it’s thoroughly incompatible with three young children…
Same here. In periods of my life when I'm more into artistic creation (or even consumption), often quite vivid and elaborate images come to my head in the 10-15 minutes before going to sleep. That, or really rich and elaborate (original) music. Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to put them into paintings or compositions, or even to make a quick note of them so that I could remember them in the morning. But still, it's quite fun.
Another observation: dualistic thinking is a token side-effect of psychedelic use, but I’d go so far as to say I’ve also decoupled cause and effect in many of the abstract phenomena I observe. Whatever I’m observing or contemplating appears to be a condition or state with no time domain, rather than an operation where A causes B in that order.
Probably what's going on is that people just become more aware of dualistic thinking because of the extra open-mindedness or increase in empathy that forces one to somehow deal more with that "other side" that they are definitely "not a part of".