Um. Is high hazard and death ratio for obese people something that needed explaining?
Pre-print might lead to it being rejected or outcomes changed or tweaked, and it clearly needs replication in a larger study to see if the findings hold up. But equally I think being healthy and reducing your weight is likely to increase your odds of not becoming severely ill.
These things, which are usually things like diabetes, blood sugar problems, high blood pressure, elevated cortisol and so on, do correlate with poorer COVID outcomes.
My understanding is that, even when you control for these factors, outcomes for obese patients are still below what we would expect to see. This means that there is still a contributing factor that we haven't considered yet, and the parent study hypothesizes one possible reason.
There's a good chance that whatever that is, isn't actually a thing, and that people unfairly find fat people repulsive for no reason except that they are fat,
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/is-being-fat-bad-for-y...
EDIT: Another post today titled "Causal Information Affects Decisions" seems relevant here:
Like, my confusion is that I didn't think we needed to go look for a new mechanism unique to Covid here.
Some people might argue that convincing people to not get fat is much lower hanging fruit than transforming every democracy into an authoritarian apartheid state for effects that are well below any statistical significance threshold.
I am by no means a Covid denier, but the bottom line is: Covid is more of a symptom (of broader health and healthcare issues) than it is a Black Plague-esque disease. Since the majoriry rules, and illness has been normalized there will be few in power willing to speak truth.
Were you alive during the Black Death I imagine you'd be talking about how, though you're no denier, it's the fault of people using ships to trade.
Then, of course, there's how well Covid does against (often) preventable conditions.
We're on the same page. Context matters. Now let's human-up and table the details about Covid. Let's stop hiding behind fearmongering aggregated data, and abuse of the use of percentages and other intentionally manipulative tactics. Finally, let's not forget to ask why? Why the thumb on the scale approach?
> The Black Death was also carried by rats on merchant ships through the trade routes of Europe. It struck Europe in 1347, when 12 ships docked at the Sicilian port of Messina. Subsequently called “death ships”, those on board were either dead or sick
Parent is using an example of a case where we know trade by ships helped cause the plague to spread, so is similar to how obese people have worse covid outcomes. No one is really going to go on a platform and attack trade by ships, though, just like in modern times no one is allowed to discriminate against the obese.
Not even close to obesity. Maybe you are looking for "allowing home ovens to bake bread attracts rats."
Again, all that's being suggested is more transparency and honesty, and less hyperbole and statistical fueled manipulation. That is all.
Please don't be snarky. It's rude and it also makes it more difficult for others to follow your train of thought. I'm not part of the original thread and I don't understand what argument you're making here.
What is GGP's actual argument for why GGGP is wrong?
It's not logical that we (in the USA) continue to side step a serious discussion about the value of prevention (and how that relates to the level of unhealthines we are on average.)