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The only sustained use I’ve found for raspberries is IOT.

For more general compute - works but you’ve got to have a lot of patience and no other options. Even a modest NUC will be way faster

Still I think the raspberries fulfill their intended roll well.

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Note that the Pi 400 is the one built into a keyboard [1], which quite clearly is intended for general computing use and not being embedded into some IoT device.

I haven't used one, I'm considering getting one for my oldest kid when he turns 7 next year, so it's really interesting to hear people's experiences in this thread.

[1]: https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/

I think a kid who’s interested in hardware projects or learning programming might be a good fit for a 400.

I thought about that too, but, after having used the device, I'd not give it to someone who's not already experienced with computers.. If that was their first experience with something resembling a desktop, they'd run for their tablet and never look back.

Right I’m assuming it’s not your typical kid and they’ve demonstrated that elsewhere. It’s clearly an open question what is going to engage the next generations with Linux/computers.

In that case you could just use a proper PC.

...Which would just perpetuate the PC-bucket monoculture.

At our software company we used to use PlayStation 3 as a development server running YellowDog Linux. Just testing our RPM .spec files was a gargantuan eye opener as to how many things we got wrong when we'd try rpmbuild --rebuild on YellowDog, and just because we'd write the .spec file on a PC-bucket server running CentOS. Monoculture is an extremely toxic, blinding thing, and it breeds ignorance.

If you only plan on supporting one platform it's okay if there are bugs on other problems. You have to make assumptions when making software and it's hard to know if some random platform breaks one of those assumptions.

Not for the price.

Any old laptop you have laying around would do just fine and those are basically "free". It has a trackpad, keyboard, screen and speakers built-in, what more would you need. Only thing I'm worried about with laptops is the kids shutting the lid with a pen on the keyboard, breaking the screen. But so far they seem to manage that fine.

> Any old laptop you have laying around would do just fine and those are basically "free".

Not everyone has spare, fully functional laptops lying around “free”.

By the time your kid is 10 most people would have already bought a new computer 2 times. He can just use one of your old PCs. You don't need that much performance to learn.

> By the time your kid is 10 most people would have already bought a new computer 2 times. He can just use one of your old PCs. You don't need that much performance to learn.

By the time my first kid was born, I’d bought a new computer...well, a whole more than two times. And he’s five, and I’ve done more than two since. But the ones that aren't repurposed and in use also aren't reliable (that's why they aren't repurposed), and while you don't need much performance to learn (a plus for the Pi because it's not a master of performance), having something trustworthy is valuable. (Sure, in some cases the reliability issue is fixable with replace parts costing more than a Pi, but then...)

It strikes me that your definition of "most people" does not, in fact, include most people.

You can get a reasonable second hand laptop for £100. Pi 400 is £60 without the screen.

But you could hook up the Pi 400 to a large TV and you have some decent playground.

Ah fair - so my comment is a little off the mark then. I was thinking of the CM module thing.

> Even a modest NUC will be way faster

With the latest RPi 4 with 8GB ram, with an SSD drive, for my use cases I haven't found the performance problems at all. However I can totally see that for many other use cases performance might be a limiting factor.

I also considered going with NUC earlier, but because RPi is very "standard" it is very no-hassle to set up, and internet is full of different tutorials etc.

I just hope that in the future they also launch some premium & beefy version of RPi, so you could use all the same software etc but have more performance.

I agree with the NUCs, a good compromise ive found is the Lattepanda Delta or Alpha.

I don't have a Pi 400 but I have a similar cyberdeck that has the addition of a screen with the keyboard and board. I use it as a swiss army tool on the go for managing my cloud servers. Its like the classic monitor and keyboard you have hanging on top of your rack, but portable :D

People buying NUCs are not buying Raspberry Pis. Different use cases.

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